Endless adaptations

I wish there was an option for that.

I already known the workout type that’s coming and just look at the future workouts as lies that will change anyway.

I’m more surprised the few workouts that don’t change.

I think TR changed something on there end, as of late most of my workout haven been changing when I’m asleep, lets say sometime after 12am.

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That seems like it would certainly cause adaptations. Is it possible to extend the warmup in Zwift like in the app? Or maybe not start the workout until a lap or other button is pressed similar to an outdoor workout?

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You can also turn it off. I find it annoying myself. Same as you, when following the plan not missing workouts, it’s still adapting. Makes no sense.

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For the first time in ages I got no adaptations after last nights workout and not even today after a walk at lunchtime. I’m scared I’m missing out :winking_face_with_tongue:

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Oddly, I went off the rails and haven’t logged a training ride in multiple days. No TR adaptations today. Who knows, it’s one place where I expect one.

I do know this. I’ve done a fair amount of software testing in my career. Software always has bugs. AI is just one way that how things work vs how they were intended to work is obfuscated. With no way to verify the proper result, you can make all sorts of assumptions but you can never really know. As long as TR keeps working for me I’m leaving the auto accept on and riding my bike. Eddie’s post, while appreciated, it’s exactly what I mean. TR is “cleaning up” recovery weeks? Lemmy guess, too many unnecessary adaptations?

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Recovery weeks should have workouts more aligned with recovery again.

If anyone is getting endurance workouts that they feel are too hard during recovery weeks, let me know!

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A while ago TR adjusted things to allow larger PL jumps if the ai thinks you are capable of it. Stops you having to do many workouts to get to a level appropriate for you.
I would try it and see what happens? You might surprise yourself.

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This thread has a few responses from TR on larger PL jumps. I think there are some other posts elsewhere as well that talk about similar jumps.

eta: I can’t speak to why it might choose this in your case however, someone from TR would have to take a look.

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TR gave me a SS 4.5 workout which was a 3.1 jump. I guess I was at 1.4 because my plans haven’t had any SS. I rated it Very Hard, so a prettty good guess for what TR thought I could do.

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Its been better for me this year. In the past I’ve done a lot of outdoor riding/racing in the past which has caused my VO2mx PL to decline to 1.0 and its been frustrating for me on a LV master plan with it slowly increasing 0.9 at a time and with a rest week making it slower again. Then the block pattern would change and there would be no VO2max workouts for a while which would degrade my PL again which is also frustrating. With the new algorithm work feels productive and to my actual abilities from day one. IIRC it adapted in initially a 7.4PL workout but adapted in the day before a 5.1PL which felt right.

Id accept it and it’ll probably adapt again before you get there but if it doesn’t give it a go but on resistance mode’; it’ll feel more rewarding/ productive and if its too much you wont run the risk of injury.

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I’d accept the adaptations and give what we’re suggesting a go! As @Twowkg said, you might surprise yourself. :upside_down_face:

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Its much more typical to be doing level 6 and 7 VO2max workouts than 1s and 2s.

I think it’s trying to get you to the right place!

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Hi @eddie

Just to let you know I’m now getting James as a recovery week workout. The Ai has also been trying to adapt my Sunday 2,5 hour workouts “down” to James the last couple of weeks. So it seems like it thinks that doing 85 minutes of 74% FTP is perfect for me when I need to take it a bit more easy.

I believe that your workouts during recovery weeks will still have some variance in intensity, with things peaking later in the week.

From what I understand, having a workout like James is actually acceptable during a recovery week. I know that we’ve updated things in the past, and this wasn’t always the case, but that’s how things are working now, from my understanding. :innocent:

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This was James on Thursday with appropriate intensity workouts before and after. But either way, I rode easy back and forth to work today and now my Thursday workout has been adapted to a more suitable workout. :upside_down_face:

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Just joined TR again this month and getting what I would call excessive adaptations. Completed a 9.6 Sweetspot workout this morning. It was hard but manageable. It offered an FTP increase which I accepted and then adapted every workout for the remainder of the week which is reasonable to me. Then this afternoon I log on and it again has adapted my next 3 workouts. Lowering the intensity over what it already lowered it this morning.

Why? Nothing has changed since the last time I logged on. This drives me nuts and actually lowers my confidence that there is true reasoning behind the suggested adaptations.

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