Dylan Johnson's "The Problem with TrainerRoad Training Plans": it's gonna be a busy day around here

[Captain_Doughnutman]

@Flashpoint51

And $380 a month.

@Captain_Doughnutman

The old adage holds true — you get what you pay for.

[Immanuelndungu]

Imagine a coach subscribing 5 days/week of threshold work with a straight face… It’s ridiculous tbh

[hdas]

@MI-XC

It’s a clickbate smear video

You don’t know what smear means. There are no false accusations in there.

[lebowskii98]

Why would it, the guy clearly follows scientific research not anecdotal evidence?

[MI-XC]

@Cleanneon98

You seem very adamant on trashing someone who has made more objective points than you have in this entire thread. If you actually watched it, you’d realize he made valid criticism without resorting to the kind of attacks you have personally against him.

Not trashing him at all. I’m simply pointing out facts. I watched the video, twice. I’m a subscriber of his. I’ve said in my comments above that I agree with him that TR has too much intensity and my n=1 experience is as such. I’ve raced with DJ and know people who know him personally and say he’s a nice guy. I have no issue with DJ, but I’m also free to critique as I see fit. I’ve “trashed” DJ as much as I’ve 'trashed" TR.

[Bbt67]

@Chasey007

Also, if you not using Hypergain Mass gainer Beast-Mode in cupcake flavour, then obviously you’re not going to be able to complete SSB-HV.

Thumbs up just for that comment. lol.

[rjessop]

I think his video did contain one understandable error, which is that TR does have pyramidal plans, but they are the triathlon plans so only for us weirdos who do that At least that’s what intervals.icu tells me, which does mean I might just be executing the full distance mid volume training plan wrong

Also, didn’t TR’s plans in the distant past have longer less intense weekend rides which they subbed out for shorter SS rides because athletes were just skipping them?

[hdas]

@old_but_not_dead_yet

Zone 2 workouts he’s been doing to see if his head will explode.

Nonsense. What matters is the time spent there in the context of the whole training program.

[lebowskii98]

@Captain_Doughnutman

They definitely don’t promote POL.
And only slightly suggest PYR.

They do, they just don’t realise it or don’t want to admit it. You add endurance hours to any of the low volume plans and it makes them either polarised or pyramidal. For example, 1 hours weds, 45 mind Friday and 3 hours Sunday.

[old_but_not_dead_yet]

@lebowskii98

Why would it, the guy clearly follows scientific research not anecdotal evidence?

LOL!

[MI-XC]

@hdas

@MI-XC

It’s a clickbate smear video

You don’t know what smear means. There are no false accusations in there.

That’ fair, “smear” is the wrong word as DJ is factually correct in his assessment. Tarnish, maybe tarnish is a better description.

[AviMISTRY]

Humbly think you’ve actually missed the point made in the video

[old_but_not_dead_yet]

@hdas

What matters is the time sessions spent there in the context of the whole training program.

FYPFY

[Cleanneon98]

$5 says the poster didn’t actually watch the video before running to TR’s defense

[jacemano]

So one thing he misses. Seiler says you can do sweetspot in polarized training. Just you have to do very hard sweetspot sessions.

Trust me. I’ve been hitting 1x90 and 1x120 sweetspot rides.

I do 3 intensity days a week, the rest is z2. And its going very well

[Hibbs]

I guess very few people read Coach Chad’s weekly training notes then? Not only does he suggest alternative longer, slower Sunday rides but… shock, horror… he even suggests that they can be done outdoors!

Mind. Blown.

[ChefAcB]

[hdas]

@old_but_not_dead_yet

FYPFY

It’s not as confusing as you make it out to be. I often train 10hr/wk in only 2 sessions. So sessions have to include intensity and endurance. So logic and practicality indicates that it’s TIME what matters, regardless of what Seiler has to say. Cheers

[jordonp]

TR, I love you. But as someone as someone who eventually overtrained in SSBHV I think you should address Dylan’s criticisms because he constantly refers to information to structure his points very well. What I am particularly interested to hear is the justification for 6 days straight training in SSBHV, 5 of which are at high intensity. Has anyone been able to follow this plan successfully for longer than a year?

[old_but_not_dead_yet]

@jacemano

Seiler says you can do sweetspot in polarized training. Just you have to do very hard sweetspot sessions.

He may now that polarized training has morphed to be all things to all people, but his original claim was that zone 2 should be avoided completely.