I can’t find it now, but I made a meme with Charlie from “It’s Always Sunny…” and his crazy board with this exactly.
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13 posts were merged into an existing topic: Polarized Training vs. Sweet Spot (Dylan Johnson video)
A post was merged into an existing topic: Polarized Training vs. Sweet Spot (Dylan Johnson video)
As you may see, I moved the new DJ video that was originally posted here under a more appropriate forum topic, the original DJ POL video. Please post in that topic rather than this one since this topic was specifically about the TR plans well and was before they even offered their own POL plan version.
Heh. that’s funny. I thought the same thing when I first came across Dylan’s “unique” format after watching the “Ask a cycling coach” podcast for some time. He wasn’t the first to use scientific studies to prove a point.
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Does it matter why they started it?
Of course, why would he not say this regardless of whether it’s completely true or not?
People’s taste change and attention spans are shorter than ever. An 11 minute video a different offering than a 2 hour podcast.
I don’t disagree with you that this format lifts ideas from Dylan’s, but your claim that they “ripped him off” may be a bit unkind to the actual history of this format. I like them both so I guess it doesn’t matter to me.
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Kudos to the TR team for having some sense of humor. I’m a fan of both DJ and AACC.
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I can totally see it!
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Cool video though.
Definitely similar to DJs stuff.
I will probably incorporate a couple sprints at the end of my current workouts. I have been wanting to improve my sprinting anyway.
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Lol, you are really riled up about this. It’s a YouTube video man, relax. Go do some sprints, get that energy out.
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Hmm, like a Dylan video but without the humor. And different from other podcasts that offer the perspective of a full-time coach that has personally trained a lot of people over a long time (decade or more).
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Humor is really hard. Dylan’s humor doesn’t do anything to me, I cannot relate to his bro persona, but that’s just my taste. The same goes for @Jonathan’s video, of course, humor is subjective.
To me in neither case the humor detracts from the content of the videos. Dylan is trying hard to straddle the line between being approachable to a more general audience and being informative. TR’s style on the podcast feels more scientific (e. g. limitations and other, “dissenting” literature is often covered, too), but less approachable to the general population.
Doesn’t @Jonathan’s work at TR for a decade or so qualify him in ways that are complimentary to a coach? He coaches less 1-to-1 (AFAIK he is coaching a high school mountain bike team, although I reckon that requires different skills than coaching adults), but he has access to a data set that is vastly bigger than any individual coach could amass during a lifetime. To me it is a complimentary qualification.
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I asked this elsewhere but got no response.
Are TR’s plans going to be revised somehow? What other updates are on the pipeline?
After almost burning out in January thanks to PL progressing to 10 with two weeks left of load, I have essentially only used TR for controlling the trainer…
Now, my subscription just got rolled for another year (speaking of legacy pricing) but if things stay as they are I struggle to see much value at the moment.
As far as I know outdoor rides are still not integrated and the HV plans are an intensity feast.
I do somewhat agree with you that TRs data somewhat gives insight to training and whatnot. But if the data isn’t combined with hands on “talk to the athlete”-coaching, then does the data really give any meaningful insight that hasn’t already been answered by everyone else in the field? Aka, up the volume, do some high intensity, eat well, rest well.
I understand that the data is insane on TRs end. But they are also missing a HUGE part of context to that data, which for me is the context that is the difference between off the shelf products, and tailored products (in this case personal coaching).
It would of course be something completely different if TR set up a huge study with lactate testing, long term follow ups, control group etc. and actually found causations and correlations for whatever claims they make.
If the data that TR was so revolutionary, then there would be no personal coaches left. Physiology on the level that TR is working on, isnt that hard. Its more about just getting on the bike and doing some kind of structure.
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All your PLs are at 10!? That sounds strange if all PLs are at 10. When was your last ftp test? I usually float between 4-7 PL depending the zone but have never reached 10 because I do a ftp test every 4-6 weeks as recommended by most coaches. Maybe you decided to build your levels and burnt out because you didn’t update or retest your ftp?
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Nope it was during base period so 10 was for SS.
I was following SSB HV (as I did for the previous couple of years).
I completed the workouts as prescribed and the plan progressed until hitting 10 with two weeks left of loading and the workouts suggested were mental. Also consider I was already tweaking the plan a bit this year by swapping the Sundays workout which would have been another SS workout.
Since then all my levels are essentially 1 to 1.5 as I really do not have confidence in these plans.
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Wow that does sound rough, well at least you know to tweak the plan a little. I always opt out of the Sunday SS for endurance it makes the training blocks more bearable.
Saw that video when it first came out. I support both Dylan J’s and TR’s methodologies. I’ve used a personal coach before and been a TR user for years. In a perfect world, I’d mixed both approaches depending on my time and feel. But the main problem is me (not the systems), I just don’t ride enough consistently.
TR is capable of supporting all training protocols by utilizing their adaptive training’s Custom Plan Builder and/or TrainNow features (beyond their preset plans). I can still train w/ Polarized approach while using TR’s workouts then make adjustments as needed. It’s hard to beat what TR offers, not to mention the free weekly podcast. No doubt, they push the boundaries…why not…Tesla did it and succeeded. Ultimately, TR is most cost-effective for me and compatible with my lifestyle.
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What makes you think it isn’t? A lot of TR employees have experience being coached and coaching at all levels including the world tour pro level. @Jonathan coaches a high school or middle school mountain bike team, for example.
My earlier point was that TR and its employees have different qualifications than someone whose profession is coaching, but both their expertises is highly relevant for the discussion.
With Adaptive Training, it isn’t as off-the-shelf than many training plans that you can buy online.
I’m confused by this claim.
TR not only can do thus, but they have been doing this already. Lactate measurements here are completely irrelevant. E. g. they have benchmarked AT against their previous plans and found that success rates went up. In principle, they can also benchmark different variations of their training plans against one another (perhaps they already do).
I’m pretty sure in 10, 15 years, most coaches will use tools like TR to create plans. Coaches will select goals, points of emphasis, benchmarks as well as volume, software will do the rest. It sounds as if software will do everything and coaches will just push buttons, but IMHO it’ll be more like Photoshop and Illustrators did not make programmers into artists. These pieces of software gave artists new types of tools that removed old limitations and made things that were previously hard and time consuming very easy.
TR’s big advantage is that they have the largest database in the world of cycling workouts that includes training plan data and internal logic. Strava has a lot of this information, yes, but not all of it.
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When your SS got to 10, did you do an FTP assessment? I understand you hoped TR would recognize the issue and prompt you, but did you take action to remedy the problem by updating your FTP?
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