I wonder if this will be possible when you are able to classify outdoor rides. Have some form of low volume weekend warrior plan for those who do group rides in weekends. Instead of plan builder being told what type of riding you want to train for skynet could see based on your previous weekend ride what to aim you at
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I feel inclined to add my N+1 since I have had a âpro levelâ
coach for many years, and the last two on TR. My coach (yes, coaches world tour proâs) NEVER had me ride with no intervals except in the off season. Every day had intensity and I thrived. Here is the key though;
Most, if not all midweek rides were 60min. Hard trainer intervals were 45min. I was doing 8-10hrs a week. Even 2hrs on the weekend, was mostly z2 but had a few short intervals scattered in there.
How does this compare to TR? Well, TR is very close but the weekly increase is too much. 6x2min @120% one week, then 3min the next is too high a step and this is where I fail, not due to the amount of intensity.
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Agreed, thereâs a lot to be said for holding an interval pattern for a couple of weeks, rather than constant progression (perceived or actual).
Exactly this - outdoor unstructured is not equal to indoor structured.
Absolutely! And I canât wait for it, especially as I canât afford a coach or even a personalized plan.
But for the next 2 years at least (letâs pick an optimistic timeframe), I think weâll have to personalize our training plans by ourselves (which is not so hard anyways ⌠more volume, less intensity 
*ducksandcovers)
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Sorry for the late reply⌠Few points here though (this really is constructive feedback, donât want to gloss over it though either):
To be fair, you were on a mid volume plan when you shouldnât have been.
Maybe, yes. Maybe no. Whoâs supposed to be the judge of that (athletes themselves are too often hardly objective enough obviously; maybe a little wizard when choosing plans in the UI would be nice?). Naming of the plans might be one problem here maybe as you mentioned in replies afterwards. I didnât have a lot of commitments at that time, I had an endurance background, I did have a lot of time, so doing a lot of hours (volume) shouldnât have been an issue for me⌠The problems though for me were:
- Intensity distribution. The TRI mid volume plan at that time had literally intensity in nearly every workout. Thatâs not sustainable imo and also part of Dylanâs video. Didnât work for me at least
- The name âMid Volumeâ plan. With the coach Iâm working now Iâm doing a lot more volume than in the TR plan but Iâm miles from cracking and never failed a workout in 1 1/2 years (stimulate not annihilate). The intensity distribution is a lot different though (80/20 or 90/10) with great success in races so far
- The FTP test. This is just valid for me personally, but might explain why some crack, some donât. The TR ramp test (or any ramp test for that matter) massively overestimates my FTP. A ramp test few weeks ago would give me 320W FTP. I did an INSCYD test and it gives me an FTP of ~285W. Thatâs a HUGE difference obviously when doing workouts. The outcome was that my Vo2Max is high but so is my VlaMax. So ramp tests are right up my alley, sustainable efforts (e.g. Sweetspot intervals) are not, which is what Iâm working on now. Tbh I have a hard time basing my workouts on 1 number at the moment. Vo2Max intervals Iâm able to do @ 320FTP, medium intensity @ 285FTP is just abour right and would cook me @ 320FTP. Actually also 2x8min FTP tests for example would overestimate for me (still Vo2Max territory)
I love to hear that you want to address this issue of athletes choosing the wrong plans and I hope my points give you some additional feedback. I also do love the open discussion about it! I really do believe that intensity distribution is more important though in this case than volume. Iâm not even saying it needs to be more polarized, pyramidal or whatever would be fine but in any case, imo it definitely needs more low intensity workouts. At least compared with the plan I did 2018/2019. I do still love TR even though I donât use a TR plan. I do love the app and the podcasts and gonna happily continue to use both 
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Yep - thatâs me
Indoor intervals for intensity - a more controlled environment
Outdoors for endurance - for so many reasons.
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Probably already been shown in the thread, but can anyone point to somewhere I could look at what a polarized plan would actually look like?
I understand the concept of 80% Easy, 20% high intensity⌠but then I actually imagine what that would look like in terms of sessions and I get a bit confused. Looking at the 1 hour VO2 max session I did today it worked out to be about 40% VO2 max work, the rest easy. Does that mean in a polarized setup (oversimplifying) that if I did a 60 minute zone 1 session it would work out about right in ratio? (Total would be 96 mins Z1, 24mins Z3⌠or 80:20).
I appreciate this is a dumb question, but not all of us are at the same knowledge level!
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I seem to remember a podcast where Dr Seleir mentions that if you want to measure time at intensity (not the total session but the time you spend at intensity in the session) vs time at âlowâ itâs actually more like 90/10?
Anyway, I think this is the podcast and it looks like it has a lot of info on the polarized approach (if itâs not this one, itâs another one 
)
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To paraphrase Mike Tyson, âEveryoneâs on an appropriate plan till they get hit.â
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Haha⌠exactly
Is the launch of the polarized (or masters oriented) plans dependent on the successful rollout of AT, or could those plans appear sooner? Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere. Thanks.
I donât know of any particular connection between POL plans and AT. I donât think they are related, but that is my guess on public statements with no inside info.
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It will appear sooner. Weâre targeting next week
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Brilliant - thanks
IIRC you said something about beta polarised plans - will they be available for everyone and general access? Thanks
Yes, available to everyone. Youâll just need to click a button to see them under Early Access on the website.
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thats great - I know these arenât your preferred plans but I think youâll win a lot fo fans for offering them and it will be interesting to see the data on how people perform with them in future.
Been a subscriber since early 2010 and its stuff like this that keeps me here and a continued fan of the TR product and crew.
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Good Stuff. The infamous YouTube review ended up being a strong catalyst for change.
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It sure was the YouTube video and not the year long discussion.(s) about the matter.
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