Exactly. It’s not sweetspot vs polarized. Every coach prescribes some sort of periodization.
The question is how many days of high intensity per week is optimal.
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I know that these likely can’t work, because it has to be more clearly progressive to new (to training) users, but I actually like them. Except for Family Deal, that needs to be extreme hot.
Maybe it should just be a jalapeño/hotness/Scoville scale.
Maybe level 5 is the Carolina Reaper?
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I thought about a range of pepper names too. Decent progression to be had with fairly common names. 
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I’m on week 2/3 of a block which apparently is polarized (2 intense sessions of 60mins each week plus 10hrs z2 last week, 11hrs z2 this week). This is all very subjective but I still feel way more productive with SSB Hv, plus doing 3hrs on the trainer today gets to be a real slog. I’m not looking forward to another 3 tomorrow and then 3.5hr sessions next week lol
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HVLI, > SST base (Fascat and WKO style) > POL is what I realised worked for me back in 2018 - 2019, took a while to fall on this by accident, now seems to be 'all the rage"
What’s the ultimate at end of that list, heart attack?
Surely productive depends on the results, which are too early to call after such a short period. If you hammer sessions but don’t improve in your typical events or rides outdoors. Then that’s not productive. If you are not improving year on year. Are you being productive?
That’s after the McRib training plan 
During recovery week you’re on McFlurry workouts…
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Agree - it’s like that classic business trick of presenting pricing options knowing that most people will naturally choose the middle option. People probably do the same with training plans.
It’s funny that people are still banging on about volume and intensity (zone breakdown) in these plans and pay zero attention to the anchor point around which the zones are set.
Namely: “FTP”
Plan design is only half the problem here… proper zone identification is probably a bigger issue that remains totally ignored.
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I guess you have missed it but people have addressed that point as much as the plans. 
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I thought they announced a new way to detect FTP without testing. Wonder how the beta guys are finding it.
What about Sufferfests 4DP thing, think TR will have a go at identifying various zones or just stick to working it all off FTP?
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As far as I understood it, the AT constantly looks how you perform at each powerlevel and adjusts accordingly. Kinda like 4DP, but with 7 zones, but more connected and no 4DP test. So ultimately there won’t be any more tests needed. But for the time being, it still requires (insert your prefered ftp test), sort of as a starting point.
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Very cool, not missing any tricks then!
Nate commented on some of that here Zone 2 in adaptive training - #32 by enki42
Why this topic has 2,5k comments?
2540 now 
It’d only be 1,900 if you take out all the “how is this thread still going?”, “why are people still talking, how dare they talk about things that don’t interest me on a free forum”, etc, etc…
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Have they? I’m ashamed to admit, I haven’t read all 2541 posts…
What’s the thinking there? How does TR plan to address properly identifying suprathreshold zones?