I’m a long term TR user and know the forum and software quite well, following here for many years. Still I’m not sure how dynamic endurance is supposed to work with regard to how it picks the recommended duration.
I’m not following a plan and as a triathlete just do my own thing. In the last 3 weeks I did 9 unstructured outdoor rides (one was 2:28 hours, the other from 3:42 to 5:12 hours) all rated hard to very hard (because of duration and some efforts and I was not just noodling around…even though I could go longer…not as straightforward to rate these as with indoor interval workouts). And I get that last week was a bike holiday with 3 of 4 rides on red days as volume was uncommonly high.
@Caro.Gomez-Villafane or @eddie :
Yet I don’t understand why scheduling dynamic endurance with max set to 5 hours still wants to start me with 1:00 hour workouts…? Does that make sense? I’m not asking for 3 hour rides but wouldn’t it make more sense to get a low intensity noodling ride of 1:30-2:00 as a start now especially when picking outdoor dynamic endurance? Or could it be that my long outdoor rides are not considered for Dynamic endurance because
these were not associated to any workout or
these were all rated hard or very hard (and therefore not considered as input for dynamic endurance) or
these were super unstructured just bike riding for fun?
The weeks from 4 weeks ago and prior I did just very few easy to moderate endurance indoor rides 1:15-1:30.
So does dynamic endurance just use these “typical” endurance rides a a base for recommend duration? That could be part of an explanation but either way I’m not sure that this is optimal. Because looking at my PDC from the last weeks I’m confused why AI dynamic endurance would think it’s best to start me with 1:00 workouts now…?
Just trying to understand dynamic endurance better. I’m not making my calendar public but TR support feel free to share your findings so it helps to understand (even though I think it’s a more general reason not specific to me alone).
Last week was some outlier with the bike training camp with high volume and obviously fatiguing, But after two days complete rest I feel good again. The weeks before were casual and good.
Usually I aim for 2 bike sessions (hard and easy), 2 runs (intervals and long) and 2 swims per week as a base. The bike workouts are pretty well handled by TR AI … again Kudos for that!
Obviously I’ll keep doing my thing and will go for longer easy outside rides now in the warm weather like 3 hours+.
But all the time this whole year when I play with dynamic endurance it gives me just 1:00 workout. Starting winter training I thought this might be OK / whatever….but now with all the volume I did it just feels wrong. If I’d ask a trainer or you for an easy endurance workout, I guess nobody would look at my last 3 weeks and say: here you have a 1 hour easy spin. Feels like a bug or something I don’t understand (or maybe I rate my outside rides too conservatively / hard on the RPE spectrum if that plays a role here).
I’m not even sure if I did another month with weekly 3 hour unstructured endurance rides that anything would change. I apprehend that dynamic endurance would still give me 1:00.
hey Rizzi just some thoughts on how you’re seeing this
IMHO easy rides are not endurance rides, and obvs noodling or unstructured isn’t structured.
So it’s not asking you to go for a “1hr easy spin”, an outdoor endurance ride is when you intend to go out and hold 180W or whatever for c hours. A ‘recovery’ ride is an easy spin like 140W where adherence doesn’t matter much.
If you haven’t held a steady 180W for an hour in the last six weeks then it would seem like a good starting place - particularly in the context of all the other training you are doing this week.
AI is probably relating that to when Rizzi’s training history shows improvement, it’s when he is consistently progressing structured endurance efforts. 1h this week, 4hrs next month or something.
Looking at these would you really start me with 60min dynamic endurance? To me that really feels wrong and more like a bug or something to investigate deeper @eddie but if you really think that this is “works as designed” I’m happy to spontaneously overrule dynamic endurance and replace with longer rides on the fly.
Hard to say if I’m honest - remember, it’s not what you can do, it’s what is effective. I don’t think I can out think AI analysis of all the workouts you uploaded based on those few rides.
In your place, assuming it fits with recommended overall volume, I would schedule long solo rides instead of dynamic endurance, and do the one hour endurance indoors instead.
