best scale iāve seen. nice one
Looking forward to the new improvements; Iāve been a TR user for four years. Product has consistently gotten better.
I canāt take credit - the words arenāt mine - I just tried to match up the numbers
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I think you missed what I was saying in my post, that the change in tone in the forum, was an own self goal by TR
Yes the internal beta has been going on for months, but I would be questioning why they didnāt find these errors, yes they only added new uses at xmas, but they always had the data, the users where already TR users, the inputs havenāt changed, itās often been said ātr has all this data to prove they are rightā
But to the adding people at xmas, 22 days they ago opened the beta and asked people to apply, 15 ago days they embarked on on the xmas sales drive, 9 days ago they realised all these edge cases, and delayed on the āpromiseā of the 1st, and went silent ā¦ā¦. none of these things were forced on the them, 23 days ago there was no knowledge of what the release was going to be
Yeap thatās how software development works, and why we do beta testing, I know this, you know this ā¦. usually release dates are set when the beta testing is complete, maybe internal targets, but not announced to the public
Iām not saying / arguimg that delaying was wrong, beta testing was wrong, Iām just saying that down turn in forum mood, is an unforced own goal by TR, by promising/hinting, advetising drive over xmas, when they didnāt need to, and the beta testing wasnāt complete, as you say ,new things have come to light after having so many people looking at it ā¦ which is the basics in testing
Also, why I have said more than once, I donāt want to be part of the beta ā¦
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Just reopened the app and despite completing all the given workouts the new ai ftp suggests if I carry on as it has prescribed Iāll drop from 245 to 220. I manually lowered my ftp to 230 as a suspension but wasnāt expecting that upon reopening and the new feature launch
I had suspected my ftp had tailed off a bit but not by 10% 
Bring this over to the Beta thread and ask Nate to look into it. Heās done that and helped a lot of people understand the new functionality already.
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On 1/31 AIFTP gave me 291. Today it dropped me to 276ā¦ which is in line with Garmin and TrainingPeaks, so I rolled with it.
Per Nateās posts the new system is based on watts and doesnāt know what FTP isā¦ so will give you a FTP number that best fits that. Are you a higher volume athlete by chance? Is your training plan set higher than balanced (i.e. demanding)?
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Yeah I am on a high volume and demanding plan
Iāve just deleted the plan and reloaded one for increased ftp. 4months. Balanced approach. 5:3 workout ratio. Lowered my ftp more in line with what the future AI suggested, ((225) not 216 as system suggests in 28days but still -11% from 245). I think the system no longer being Traditional ftp based, itās trying to increase workout āwatts doneā (and therefore training effect) by prescribing high PL workouts at a lower ftp. 
FTP still set to drop in 4 weeks though. dreading todayās 3 sisters workout but at least my ftp will decrease if I push through 
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ā¦. nice long threadā¦ going to try a short cutā¦
is there a video showing how to access it, if iām part of the early adopt program, showing me how where to go, a how to.
have some questionsā¦ but thinking let me first get hands onto it. 
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pls point me to the Beta thread
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If you want to sign up for the beta you need to go here : NEW STUDY for Cyclists | How Pros Actually Train (Not What You Thinkā¦) | Ask a Cycling Coach Podcast 566 - #5
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thanks.
see itās basically the early adopter program, I am on it. need to see how/where i need to go to access the new AI feature.
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If youāre in the Beta, it will be one of the top topics when you open the Forum. Itās titled āTrainerRoad AI Beta Testingā. If youāre not in the Beta, you wonāt see it.
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Is the FTP value that it is predicting higher than the value it suggested your FTP is currently?
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I donāt know. I never clicked on reveal when the new system booted as I thought Iād be able to manually trigger a contemporary AIFTP detection but that has gone as feature unfortunately
Itās saying my ftp will go from 225 to 219 based on what is come by 6 Feb
You really need to discuss this in the beta thread. There you will likely get a response from TR employees who can help you understand why and what to can do differently.
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All I know is that I appreciate TRās focus on digital UX/UI overall quality. There is no brand in the āsports techā category that exceeds it - Garmin, Strava, Wahoo, WHOOP and all the rest. (Sidebar: Favero is another standout that punches WAAAAYYY above its weight.)
Some might be frustrated by TRās approach to this overall rollout, but Iām assuming they donāt (or didnāt - itās pushed out to everyone now, as I see it) - until it met their standards of quality. I appreciate that. And itās not common in the hustle fast, AI-slop fueled economy right now.
Biking is very important to me. Itās my personal passion and escape. I appreciate TR working hard to honor that and protect me from any random Atlassian, Microsoft, or SAP (looking at you, Concur) blandness.
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Dude Iām doubting any of that, like i said, multiple times above, I donāt want to be part of the beta .. Iād rather other people sort the bugs out than me
I never doubted that TR would release it when itās ready, I never said they should release it now, iāve never asked for a release date
I was just stating, that like we all know, beta tests find bugs, thats what beta testing if for, Iām just simply saying that
Anybody who knows anything about testing, will not be suprised that it took 13 days to go from opening the beta test .. to cancelling the release date, over the xmas period when people on holiday ā¦ so the sales drive the xmas period telling people it would be SOON ā¦. seemed a bit , well itās the reason people got a little upset,
If you tell your kids they can open their presents on xmas eve, and then on xmas eve that santa isnāt coming till chrismas day, they will get upset and cry all day, if you donāt promise anything until you know santaās been ā¦. everybodies happy ā¦ that is all I was saying
Hail Trainer road ā¦ their great, looking forward to the new upgrade when itās ready ā¦ and not before
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I donāt think it is, is it?
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