Can you change the top end of a Ramp Test?

I have a ramp test today. I was looking at the top range power. If I nail the test, it would only raise my ftp a few points using the 75% max interval estimate.

Is there a way to raise the range? I feel like I’m still in the newbie gains zone and could go a bit further.

The Ramp Test will not end until you stop pedaling. :smiling_face_with_horns:

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No matter how much you want it to…

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An ok, that works!

I may have to stop it manually since my trainer doesn’t sync to the app.

I don’t understand that line.

During the test you WILL reach the point at which you can no longer continue.

At that point, the test is over.

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I mean, the TrainerRoad app won’t automatically detect I’ve stopped (if it does that). I’ll have to push the stop ride button.

That sounds odd. What sort of trainer are you using?

It’s odd. I use a peloton. Then I use p2g to sync all the stats to garmin as a TacX ride.

Anyway, a Jetblack Victory is in the mail. :wink:

On a side I did terrible in the ramp test. Wasn’t feeling it, maybe bailed early. I’ll keep the 20m ftp result from a few weeks ago and try again when the victory comes in.

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It sounds like the Jetblack will solve your issues. :sweat_smile:

Ramp test is known to be a shortcut and the least reliable test. So yeah, use your 20 minute test instead.

I prefer the longer methods, though the ramp is reliable for me

If that was true, TR wouldn’t recommend the ramp over a 20 minute test. Many people also find the ramp test easier mentally because you don’t have to worry about pacing yourself, figuring out if you will do positive or negative splits, etc. You just do the correct wattage until you can’t.

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There are well known accuracy issues with the ramp test, plenty of threads discuss it in more depth but suffice to say it’s not one of the better ways to determine one’s actual FTP.

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Over 7,000 tests were completed during our beta period with the new Ramp Test, and hundreds of thousands have been completed since it was officially released. The test’s format and calculations are optimized to improve your training benefits from subsequent workouts. Our data shows that riders who take the ramp test fail workouts at a lower rate than riders who don’t test or who use other testing methods such as the 8- or 20-minute test. In fact, riders who don’t test at all when starting a TrainerRoad plan are 3x likelier to fail their first workout than riders who take a ramp test. In addition, athletes who haven’t taken a ramp test in the last 90 days are 31% more likely to cut their workouts short. By taking the ramp test whenever it is scheduled in your training plan, your workouts stay more closely matched to your fitness and you’ll get better results from TrainerRoad.

Hmm trust the guys with all the data, or a couple curmugeons on the forum?

It is certainly not the “least reliable test” as the other commenter claimed. TR claims the exact opposite.

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I don’t want to derail this thread any further but it’s worthwhile reading the other threads discussing ramp tests and other forms of ftp testing to see why such a short test that relies on one’s ability to perform >ftp to determine ftp is not accurate.

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All FTP tests are flawed. FTP as a concept is also flawed. Which is probably one of the reasons why TR suggests to use AIFTP instead.

The argument is which test is the most reliable and most useful. Other commenter claimed the ramp test was the least reliable, with nothing to back it up. TR has the data and has done the analysis for thousands of tests of different types and disagrees. They wouldn’t recommend what they think is least reliable test, and it probably isn’t the least reliable test, otherwise everyone would have terrible results and be constantly talking about it.

It’s okay to think other tests are better or more accurate for individuals - riders have different strengths and one test might limit their best attributes. It’s not okay to make wild claims with no facts or data backing them up.

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Ah yes, I’m a curmudgeon for saying that the ramp test DOES work for me :roll_eyes:

But sure, totally trust the people who are marketing a product for you with a quick and easy solution, vs looking into the validity of the marketing. You do you.

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If that were the case, TR wouldn’t have used it as a default. In a recent podcast @Jonathan said that on average the ramp test works better than 20- and 8-minute test, but still underestimates FTP (again, on average). AI FTP is claimed to outperform both.

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