The documentary should start with the following statement:
" The producers of this film considers that any product containing meat(of any source) as part of its recipe are classified as meat.
To exemplify, for the purpose of this film, a beef burrito, pepperoni pizza, ground beef tacos, deep fried chicken wings and Popeye’s Fried chicken sandwich shall be classified as Meat."
I get what you’re saying here, and heart disease may well still show up, but to what extent?
I cut out meat and dairy to see if a less inflammatory diet would reduce the chronic pain in my knees and hips, and it did, in fact it went completely. Coincidence? Maybe, but nothing else significant changed in my diet/lifestyle.
The thing that really surprised me though was that my cholesterol went from being just over the upper range of ‘ideal’, to right within the lower range of ‘ideal’ in 1 year. I had always been told the high cholesterol was genetic, and there’s not a huge amount I can do about it.
I wholeheartedly agree that specificity is key, and that everyone should find what’s right for them. For me it’s also about having strong opinions loosely held, and not being close minded to other options outside of what you think might be correct.
Watched it and others. Reading a lot of articles too. Cutting on meat about 80% in the last 6 months or so and on the way of going full plant based for a tryout of at least 3 months.
After that I’ll decide to keep on full PB or return to the current 80% reduction on animal based food. Returning to the previous situation with animal food present in almost every meal is not an option.
The whole plant protein requirement is disputed currently, need to find the paper.
Timing us everything. I listen to Ben Greenfield’s podcast with Dr Steven Gundry who wrote Plant Paradox and now The Longevity Paradox while in the sauna same day as watching Game Changers. Both promote plant based diet and I know I eat way too much meat. They both are making me look at a more balanced approach as we’ve heard from Coach Chad. Maybe I need to be hit in the head multiple times to get it to stick. Not giving up meat just less of it and more fruit and veggies will keep me around playing hard longer.
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I didn’t. But after these reviews I wanted t watch it.
I am curious how many shares of BYND Chan and Schwarzenegger own? 
The science of the day is so back-and-forth on this, tough to navigate. The one thing I did notice in the film is they were inferring that one serving of any meat is bad for your health, negative effects right after!
Buyer beware!
Has anyone worked out a decent but simple protocol to make dietary changes at an individual level? Hopefully someone with expertise in nutrition? 
Speaking to people around me here, I think people are being a little harsh on the going veggie approach. Is it really that a big of a deal of people eating more veg? I mean, we are in a time when health really is suffering with modern diets, crappy food and so forth. The idea that having more veg and plants in your diet is not a bad thing. Of course, make your own choice, but the idea that “away with you foul plant eating demon” is a bit much. The meat focussed diet has been pushed for many a year, not sure it is bad now things are changing slightly.
But ofc, do not become a cult doing so! ; )
Yes , anecdotally I’m absolutely convinced eating along these lines definitely improves your performance, I gave up meat of any kind only and feel very much more alert , it doesn’t cost anything to try !!
Having read some of the studies they quoted from in the documentary I can say that they were EXTREMELY selective with the quotes, but all the same there are clearly some advantages even if you don’t go fully meat free.
However, my biggest issue is that cooking decent vegan / vegetarian food is bloody difficult, and buying it is prohibitively expensive. I’ll definitely be trying to do a meat free day, but I get the feeling that hitting my protein targets for that day will involve eating a comical amount of food.
If nothing else, I find the water / resource usage for meat alarming, so I’d like to at least try. I’m not entirely convinced on the performance aspect, because I’ve never seen a well designed study directly comparing the two (for instance, ward based isocalorific, equal macronutrients, 1 month with either trained / untrained participants).
Oh, and I’m glad it wasn’t just me that raised an eyebrow at the beet juice bit.
Don’t believe all you hear about water usage for meat production, a quick search online and you will find the 97% of the water used (in the instance of grass fed cattle) is from rain that had fallen anyway! (93% even for industrial cattle!)
This is something the vegan ‘documentaries’ conveniently leave out
Well, this is a cycling board & I would say in terms of cycling and cycling performance it doesn’t make a difference.
If you’re eating a Whopper Meal 5 times a week, going legit vegan is going to have a big positive effect. If you’re eating a lot of fruit and veg & getting 10% of your calories from meat? Going vegan probably doesn’t make that much of a difference unless it’s a matter of conscience. Either way is fine with me SO LONG AS people who are vegan don’t conspire to limit my dietary choices.
Know what you mean, I guess I’m pointing more to a cultural perspective. Agreed though, as long as someone isn’t forced, shouldn’t matter.
I don’t think people here are being harsh, And I don’t think I’ve seen anyone saying more veg is a bad thing.
Fair enough, that stands with the rest of the documentary I guess. It did feel very much like I was watching a propaganda film.
Never said here, said people just generally, especially where I live!
True that. I’m vegan and it did seem way too good to be true.
It’s only difficult because (I’m assuming) most likely you haven’t tried. Once you’ve experimented a little and found a few dishes it gets easier and easier. There are so many meat/dairy substitutes out there now and in fact the prices where I’m from in the UK are really quite similar… almond milk is pretty much the same price as cows milk, a plant based mock-meat is more or less the same price as a steak… and so is the vegan cheese compared to regular cheese.
However, those substitutes really aren’t necessary, I think they just help the transition by offering the same old comfort foods. The majority of vegan food is the cheapest stuff in the super market: rice, beans, lentils, potatoes, tomatoes etc. etc.
As for the performance aspect, I just want to offer, there is no harm in trying. Once you’ve found a couple of recipes you like, try it for a week and see how different you feel (if at all). Hell, if you’re so inclined have a blood test now, in the UK they are quick and easy to do and not that expensive, then try two+ weeks of plant based (use cronometer to track your nutrients and get that balance in), have another blood test and look objectively for changes… rather than relying on the perfect study to come out.
And if you really are interested, and are stuck with meal suggestions etc. feel free to message me, I think it’s pretty easy to ‘veganize’ any meal, or put something together that is cheap and fully nutritious.