Do you mean you’re unhappy with the AI estimation? There was no prediction feature in any previous version. You can turn off the prediction by clicking on the next prediction in your calendar simulation, and the pencil edit button will take you to an on/off toggle.
I’m fed up with seeing my FTP dropping like a lead balloon.
I don’t care about my FTP.
Kinda sounds like you do 
Indeed
With the idea that sweet spot should be up there but not maximal, that then suggests I should be able to do higher than that for 45 mins.
I never have, yet I have done many TTs upto 90 min long during that 52 week window where if I could have, I would have.
So im sceptical… but Ai has so far been quite accurate with what I am able to do even if I look at it and think “no chance”. So we shall see… I suppose I have to beat those PBs eventually if I am genuinely getting stronger?
You can turn off the FTP prediction feature.
Sorry, but how do you do this, i can’t find the option
Just asking the question, new back at TR and actually enjoying it more than I have done in the post, I’ve been doing Ramp Tests in the last year or so, but my training has gone wrong in the last 6 months due to change of job and working location (home based to office based) and time commuting, so I cam back to TR for some help get myself back on track
My Ramp Test results and AIFTP are way out, and it first I was all like “TR sucks, What do they know, idiots” but my training has been going ok, my ramp tests results have been going up
I just don’t lile the FTP prediction and want to turn it off, i feel it gameafies my training a little to much, I’m a amatuer cyclist who does this for fun and health and want to be a little faster, I want to enjoy cycling, i love riding for hours, and with friends, i don’t want to see that if ride with my friends and have a great day, that my FTP won’t be as good as if I spend 1 hour on the turbo and spend the day alome
Click on the next prediction value in your calendar, then hit the pencil edit button.Takes you to an on/off toggle for prediction.
Thank you ..
I’ll admit to being critical of the prediction element of the recent update, but now that I’ve been through two 4-week blocks, I’m happy to say I was wrong about it.
The first 4 week block that I tried with one of the standard plans didn’t go so well, and the prediction was all over the place throughout. My FTP increased by 2W, which was in line with my expectations based on similar blocks in the past (the prediction was wildly optimistic at times).
The second 4 week block was something that I built myself. I chose the workout types, and AI populated the actual workouts. I played around with the training approach and with the duration of the workouts. After many variations i finally settled on a block that looked achievable, and which predicted a 7W increase. The prediction remained consistent throughout, and the latest detection delivered the 7W increase.
That was my best 4 week gain in years. I’ve only actually seen higher gains during the brutally hard blocks of the original training plans many years ago - but those gains were VERY hard to earn. I’m super excited because the training itself felt very ‘doable’. I was pushed hard, but never beyond what I could achieve, and I always felt like I had a bit more left in me. I think the approach that I settled on is going to be repeatable, which could even lead to all time highs - something I didn’t think was possible in my 50’s.
In the last year or so I had selected the masters option, which placed more focus on endurance workouts. I’ve now gone back to two sweet spot workouts a week, but with a conservative training approach for that category. This is serving up very achievable sweet spot workouts which aren’t taking too much out of me, leaving me fresh enough for the hard workouts during the week. This is delivering a much better outcome than the endurance workouts that I had shifted towards previously. I’d never had made that discovery without the new prediction feature.
Thank you TrainerRoad!
I’ve been pretty happy with the new AI FTP. My numbers haven’t changed much from the old system to the new system. I do the workouts it tells me to, sometimes I crush them, sometimes they crush me, but mostly they are challenging but doable. And I’ve seen slow but steady improvement over time. Given my very modest training load, I can’t ask for much more.
So today I tried a VO2 workout with a bunch of 6 sec sprints on the TR desktop app alone. It seems that the issue is with the smart trainer TacX Neo2T. on ERG mode it just wasn’t being able to get to the prescribed power. So, I just tried on resistance mode (like I did in the past, before zwift) and it worked out much better, as expected.
If anyone else is having similar issues, now you know! 
I’m overall happy with the feature - it has a few quirks that I’ve asked questions about, but it’s overall a good system.
I wouldn’t give it a 5/5 yet, but it’s a solid 4/5.
I’m quite a fan! Coming off a big running block, I was trying to feel out an hour-power FTP, and my heart rate on any workout was dramatically lower than the correct “zone.”
Switched to TR and the new system (have been an off/on TR user for years), and it set a much higher FTP. I went with it - and the workouts have felt hard but not overly so, and the effort and heart rate are suddenly aligning more. Very likely I was just sandbagging myself!
Its a fantastic update, couldn’t be haapier with the workouts allocated and how closely aligned the workout survey result is to the predicted difficulty.
100% of my interval workouts are indoors, balanced plan and I dont really deviate from the persrobed AI workouts or overshoot volume. So perhaps that is contributing to how well everything hangs together including predicted FTP.
After health problems last year it was 7 months since I’d done a Vo2max workout and the AI somehow selected the perfect re entry workout, very impressive
In the last 3 months I’ve seen both sides of the coin, a few workouts marked as very hard where the FTP plummets but majority exactly where it should be and hard.
The workout ranges for me personally are quite limited as I accept the FTP increases so I top out threshold at 4 - 4.2.
I do have other gripes about the use of FTP terminology but the most important thing for me is that workouts are productive and training is enjoyable which they are.
I can’t say that I’m unhappy with it, but I am finding it interesting that, after a huge jump (+8.4%) in FTP when the new AI was introduced in January. It now has me back almost to where I was before the new AI. So while it might be better at prescribing workouts for me, I’m not sure I’m really seeing any different results. 
I will say that I’m glad to now be beyond those initial workouts that were beyond my capabilities, though.
Mixed feelings initially, but when i take a long term view I am getting faster, and that is what counts to me. The practical impact of the work thats being done, delivering an upward trend.
What I have done is that i am actually ramp testing as well, and seeing my practical FTP as being more of a range between the Ramp result and the TR value, which looks to be around 15watts.
I nail anerobic and vo2 workouts ( always have done ) but this update has really made me work on my weakness which has been Threshold. Can happily say that I’m now somewhat enjoying the progressive result of being more comfortable operating in that zone and working the range.
All in all, happy that i now have a more hollistic view of FTP and no longer obsessed with one number, ultimately making me practically faster in the real world.
Might not be the place for this.
Is there a way of roughly correlating Ai FTP with real FTP?
The AI FTP has me set to 310, but what is this likely to be as a real world FTP (assume 95% of 20min)
Another vote for happy. The workout selection is amazing. Last hard workout was a zwift race on 02-March then surgery for hernia on 03-March. Two weeks of walking, then slowly easing back with two tempo rides in the last week. I was going to swap out the workout today as my AL was 3.0 for sweet spot but decided to trust the AI and it was hard just like it said it was going to be. Not even Very Hard like I was expecting.
THIS is how to use TRAI IMO! 
I think a lot of people are just blindly doing a combination of what the AI says and what they want and complaining about poor results.
to be honest im a lot less worried to see if i can finish workouts just going completely by AI Ftp. I used to doubt it all the time in the old system and more than often failed workouts when PL levels got high. So far that hasnt been the case with this
Mine experience is the same.
Hi
a late reply but your post popped into my head today when thinking about changing my current plan. Did you use plan builder to do this, or did you populate your calendar manually with AI workouts?
Thanks for the insight.
David
