I think we really need a “I’m not in AT and I’m totally not crying about it” thread
You are right.
That doesn’t invalidate my opinion though, and we can feel a second thread with comments trying to do just that.
Using the line “stop crying about it” is very effective though, time-proven way to try and belittle different views.
Let’s just continue to agree that TR managed expectations perfectly on this, and I am just the one who is not sophisticated enough to know what I am expected to expect.
I was one of the first people to sign up for Beta and just got in like a week ago. Helping TR with the AT beta which is still semi buggy and incomplete is not a right; I wouldn’t even call it a privilege, so while I’m not dismissing your concerns as invalid, I simply don’t get all the foot stomping going on
There was never a promise or expectation made about how many would be admitted into beta, or how soon, or how quickly the AT would be out of beta. Do I think the announcement/beta launch was a bit premature and reactionary to a certain YT video? I do. But it’s what we got
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on cue, exactly as expected. I believe you don’t mean to invalidate, but the statement does just that.
That argument doesn’t make sense to me. If AT beta is buggy, work with it and report. If AT beta is unbearably broken, turn it off.
If beta testing is such a chore after 4 month of closed beta, Jonathan’s story about how unhappy the team was when AT alpha version was down for a week and Nate sneaked himself back into AT must be baloney.
There is a banner saying “Announcing Adaptive Training” on top of this very page! That just means Adaptive training will be delivered whenever, no commitment?
Apple doesn’t simply “Announce teleportation features for all iPhones: The Shortest Trip, Every Time**”
(**disclaimer: being investigated at that moment, no promise on when it will be rolled out to the masses. Betas testers may end up in the Earth’s core, or exactly where they started 
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Announcing and releasing are not the same thing, and I still don’t understand the outrage from those who haven’t been admitted, it’s a purely randomized process.
I’m not sure how my comment goes to invalidate what you said
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Maybe, but not necessarily. Remember the season around that time (February 25th debut) was more likely focused on inside training/riding than outside like we see now. Much of the current limitation stems from the limited access of TR workouts on Garmin head units as the only ones that “count”. Wahoo outside workouts, and anything done outside that is not a “Garmin workout” is not accurately used by AT for Progression Level changes.
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As an early AT beta user (started March 1), I loved the function and relied on it when I was exclusively doing inside TR workouts for a couple of months. But with 2-3 outside workouts/rides per week now (early May and only use Wahoo), a bunch of my training is “missing” from AT and therefore the PL and related adaptations are garbage.
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Point being that I think it was very valid and accurate at that time. But in the current state, with outside stuff largely ignored by AT, it is a different story.
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I didn’t realize this was going to be an issue until this past week. I’ve only been in AT for a week. When I completed a 4.0 threshold workout on Saturday, but it’s got a 4.1 scheduled for me next week, I find myself wanting to skip ahead to the 4.5 workout I have the next week. And I did a mountain bike ride yesterday and rather than keep next week’s sweetspot workout, it wants to adapt me back to doing the one I skipped yesterday. That all seems “logical,” but I’m looking to push on and happy to decide myself what to do.
Yeah, I am skipping nearly all adaptations at this time, and making my own guesses from the default plan and what I think I need. Just like the good old days, but the Workout Levels are helping zero in on decent choices, so still a bit better in ways.
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this isn’t entirely true - per TR the only random bit was in the middle, the original testers and the larger numbers more recently admitted were / are chosen.
Hence the frustration for those of us doing almost exclusively indoor stuff 
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Like I said above, I’m only interested in the as a Software developer, and find TR very lacking in setting expectations of what a beta is, what is expected e.t.c
But I’d like to point out, that in 1hr 20 in the Announcing Adaptive training, all the things that you said are missing, were said by Nate to be in the “internal” version AT that he was using, and that his outside unstuctured workouts were being classified (and would be if you did 2*20 ~ SS and then stuck on 4 hours of endurance)
So (and I’ll keep to this feature only) 4 months and 2 days after this announcment, with so many people in the beta, why aren’t people beta testing this now, did this feature exist, did they have to pull it because it didn’t work, if the features were so early they didn’t know if they would work … why were they promising them (thats what you do when you announce), and it makes me feel this is more public alpha, rather then private beta
At the very beginning of the video they make a hard sell on “you will never have to do a ramp test again”, and TR will predict you FTP at different stages of the season, ok they don’t say when, but they are setting expectations of functionallity, and how it will work, which is why peole want to be in beta, people have a fear of missing out, and they were sold that they would be missing out on so much, when this goes live my first comment while be, “why doesn’t this take into acount sleep, resting hr, hrv data, menstral cycle and steps” like they talk about at 1:14 in the announcment video
I am a paying TR user, and interest to see what ML brings , but this was a marketing exercise to stop the critism they were getting about the DJ video (which it did very well),as once released this will make all he said irrelivant, there is a reason you don’t see public beta being announced so publiclly, part of the beta is does it work ? At the moment you are testing the bugs, not if it works, the acceptance criteria is that it improves your training and ftp increases at a faster rate than if you weren’t on AT, how can you do this if you are ingnoring adaptions because a feature that was promised to exist 4 months ago, isn’t part of the beta, and has it proven that people only doing internal workouts, have hit the (my) acceptance criteria
Oh and to answer the OP, I’m not bothered about AT (at the moment)
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Commentary on outdoor workouts straight from the CEOs mouth:
“There’s two parts to this. Structured TR outside workouts. Correct me if I’m wrong, Amber, but that works today with Garmin and we’re working with Wahoo. And then there is unstructured outside rides. The unstructured part is not going to happen with initial AT launch for everybody but we should be able to have the Garmin (well Garmin is done) and Wahoo by then. That, though, is a huge piece and we’re making good progress on it & I don’t have a timeline for when that’s going to happen.”
But when it’s done, that’s gonna be the shyte that kills them.
I’ve been sitting on an AT beta invite for over a month, I think. Maybe now is the time to take the plunge. 
Probably, I wouldn’t make a good beta tester, though.
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According to my work with support, this is still inconsistent, not working all the time. The issues is that “good” workouts are getting the fail survey (happened to me Monday again and am waiting for a response from support) and even if the “did not struggle” response is given and the workout is rated no PL credit is given. They tell me the algorithm for passing a workout is too rigorous and failing workouts that should be given credit. I don’t know how widespread this is or ETA for getting it fixed.
Well…I guess Amber shoulda jumped in there, then.
Well - nothing even the very first and most brief of glances of this concept wouldn’t have revealed already then (and were also addressed from several people). I have already forgotten what I wrote on a few occassions then but it at least touched upon all what isn’t even the small nitty gritty but major show stopper like only usable reliably with indoor rides, only usable with plan builder (yuck) etc.
I just came across a post after not caring for any TR related stuff for quite a while and saw that is now a public beta. Ok, probably progress. At least in regards of load the system can handle. Not much in the show stopper shortcomings still. So… I guess I will have ample time on long trainer rides in the winter to read about the progress they make and expect it to maybe being of mild interest and at least not colliding with my training some time around next fall. No hurry from my side, certainly ^^
I noticed, if I manually add an outside workout, not related to the plan I’m following, that would be similar to the intensity I plan to do, I would see the progression levels on my career page shift. I also get a to fill in the questionnaire afterwards.
Maybe this works for you too?
That is most likely related to the release that Ivy announced prior this month (Aug 6, 2021), and is part of the open beta more recently unlocked for anyone that wants the early release:
The comment from above was related to the limitations and lack of outside ride implementation at that time, so the points in time and what was available are the reason for the difference in viewpoints.
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I noticed I replied to a comment dating back from July. I assume there must have been some progress made at some point…
I guess I’m a bit late to the party 
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Yes, I have been in beta for a couple months now. Though I am probably done using TR (paid for a full year). I just don’t think it works for me, guess I should have spent money better.
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