Adding weights to weekly TSS (Strength Training)

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There’s no point to tracking TSS for weight training. It doesn’t make any sense. It’s just a glory number.

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In your wisdom what would you track then??
Cant say this with nothing to back it up

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My opinion - decide if improving on the bike or improving in the weight room is more important.

Assuming we’re here to get faster on the bike, it comes down to “Did a workout negatively impact your ability to complete any future bike workout?” i.e. Cut short an interval, had to drop intensity, had to skip an interval that you otherwise wouldn’t have. Had to postpone or skip a workout because of gym induced soreness or fatigue? If so, you need to cut back on the lifting.

I track that and pay attention to overall fatigue, I track completion of my gym workouts, and I track progression of my gym workouts (Weight, reps, RPE). That’s it. No trying to “force” TSS or other metrics.

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The guy who invented TSS said it wasn’t applicable for weight training. :person_shrugging:

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That’s such a fallacy. No one needs to give detailed alternatives when offering a critique.

Similarly, I can tell you that “running real fast” is a pisspoor way of achieving escape velocity without needing to lay out my extensive knowledge of rocket propulsion.

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I wouldn’t track anything for strength training other than reps/sets/weight like elsewhere, and then keep tabs on DOMS and how it’s affecting your riding.

TSS is meaningless for strength training.

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87

Bingo.

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88

I believe on TrainingPeaks you can track TSS per sport. Your overall fitness is shown but also your “bike specific” fitness, fatigue etc.

I typically train 3-4 times per week in the gym and log a nominal 40TSS per session. Its consistent and does have some bearing on recovery and form (if you are training hard), so why wouldn’t you?

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[quote=“Thomas_Rigden, post:88, topic:11808”]why
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Because:

  1. true TSS calculated from cycling power and faux TSS calculated other ways are not comparable, and therefore can’t be added together; and
  1. if you’re relying on a subjective estimate of TSS for non-cycling, you’re better just embracing that approach across the board, and using Foster’s session RPE instead of TSS as the input to your PMC.

But hey, what do I know? :wink:

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Interesting. Can we draw following conclusions from this:

  • it is ok to add cycling TSS and hrTSS, because both are tied to athlete’s lactate threshold heart rate,
  • but it is not comparable to hrTSS from different aerobic sport (rowing, skiing, etc) because there threshold HR might be different and FTP and related power curve definitely are different?
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I wouldn’t do it routinely. HR is too variable (and I have no idea how hrTSS is calculated).

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Uh, assuming they’re talking about this page, which is the only one I can see that matches the quote, the ‘Wahoo defines TSS as:’ bit is the poster’s words, not Wahoo’s.

On other pages, such as this Coggan does get credited.

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Apologies for my confusion.