Perhaps my nomenclature is off. But here I’m referring to the ability to do work at a high rate of muscular contraction. Specifically, imagine the fatigue caused by doing a set of 30 squats vs a heavy set of 3.
My contention is that we do enough in the bike that is “similar” to the high rep squat type and benefit more from the heavy low rep work that can’t really be replicated well in the bike.
Is it? is 90 rpm “similar” to 30 reps per set of squats?
I always find it intriguing the way people perceive it. What really is the difference between “conditioning” and strength? Its like when people start lifting weights and say “I just want to tone my muscles, I dont want to get big”.
Precisely!. It’s way more similar than 90rpm vs 3rpm. Next time take notes of your muscular vs central fatigue when you do:
1.5h threshold
30 x 4 squats
3 x 4 squats
You’ll get the gist of my point.
Sorry I dont see it.
30 reps of a weight is completely different to riding a bike at 90rpm for however long.
Anyway, I was asking the difference between “conditioning” and strength. Or what people seem to think it is. Or if there is even a difference.
The difference is the adaptation. Conditioned speaks to an initial, basic level of adaptation. You’ll get this with basic body weight exercises and light kettlebells. Strength requires a rigorous programing to be able to manage serous weights.
Ok, now we’re getting somewhere.
To what end? At what point does it switch from your definition of conditioned to strength? What do you deem as strong? So you think pros are strong? How strong does a cyclist need to be? Does a cyclist need strength or conditioning?
It depends 
A few minority of us like to maximize for performance on the bike and the weight room. There are multiple claims of the crossover benefits, from my own experience I can only say that being strong contributes to:
Which ultimate contributes to overall fitness.
When your training switches from low weight high rep to low reps high weight.
Just like with w/kg, there are tables of the distribution. I think anything above intermediate level for squat, deadlift can be considered strong …. Somewhere around 2 x your body weight for squat, for instance.
I have no idea. I suspect the athlete type like VWA and MVP are “stronger”. But obviously overspecialized in endurance. I don’t think being strong by the standards above is necessary.
It depends on: preferences, specialization, other goals.
In general, I’m not concerned with over specialization. I could be faster, but 4.2w/kg and strong is a good intersect for and old man like me.
After 3+ years (not much I admit) I’m getting that from kettlebells, in less time than barbells, and with less interference. And I got the first bullet from just riding the bike more, so once you max out on that the next step is adding gym work.
FWIW my view of conditioning is keeping the body in a state of constant readiness, for more advanced training or competition. On the bike that is “go ride your bike as much as you can” and in the gym the most time efficient way that I’ve personally found to work is kettlebells. If you want to drink the marketing kool-aid, go to StrongFirst or pick up a copy of Simple and Sinister and give the first couple of chapters a quick read.
I think there is 2 fronts you can look at tss and muscle sorness.
For my 1h 20 gym session im averaging 25/30tss
No need to superset things as we get the cardio on the bike. Usually the day after the gym i wake up a 3/4 soreness.
Im training 6 days a week with 5 days on the bike and 2 weight training double day 1 day.
I feel people are scared of being sore i usually have my best sessions the day after the gym just need that first 20mins to ease the doms off.
Also alot of people use the easy days and put a hard gym session in there. Make the hard days hard and make sure the easy days are easy.
If you’re new to weight training dont go crazy ease into it, Make it somewhat enjoyable to start with and soon you’ll be passing prs that you would have thought impossible weeks ago.
#liftheavyridefast
You wont put on size if you arent eating surplus calories and anyway if you are eating surplus cals you’ll be getting bigger through fat gain.
Wait, who said anything about size? Is that for strength or conditioning, or both? When did anyone mention calories or fat? 
How do you come up with that number?
Hr tss through training peaks
Ive miss read you’re post. Saying that alot of cyclists i know dont want to hit the weights due to this not wanting to get “big” 
I hear it from all my cycling and non-cycling friends alike. I dont need weights, I dont want to get big.
I found that HR based TSS for strength workouts is not an accurate measure of training stress. I tracked HRV for a while and discovered that strength workouts that had HR derived TSS equivalent to a recovery ride had a similar effect on my HRV to hour long interval workouts with IF>0.85. My DOMS would agree as well.
HR does not accurately reflect the training stress from a weight lifting session in any way.
Trainingpeaks has an article on how to calculate tss for strength training, although not a big fan of using tss metrics for strength training, after all, it’s for endurance training
But you can use the RPE similarly to assess it for yourself, let’s say your strength training session is 5 sets of 100kgx5 squats, which is your full capacity with correct posture, that’s 2500kg capacity!
So next time if the total capacity is 1250kg you can set the tss to 50
So what is?