Best to pace yourself with the excitement. Plenty of us signed up immediately after the announcement in Feb and the excitement is long gone.
My experience is that a workout is marked up as “Stretch” if the PL is greater than 1.0 and less than 2.0 above your current PL for that target zone and “Not Recommended” if it’s greater than 2.0 above your current PL. “Achievable” is less than 1.0 above your current PL.
AT needs to know how you found the workout but importantly not how you think it should have been, don’t second guess what you think should be the right response, that’s AT’s job. I think most of us have got this wrong at some point. In the original podcast about AT, Nate mentions that there are certain classifications that don’t make sense - something like Pettit can never be “All out” for example. At the other extreme Disaster could never be classified as “Easy”! Ivy has posted what each response means, can’t remember if it’s in this thread or one of the other AT threads.
Basically AT is saying “This workout should be Hard”, if you classify it as “Hard” then AT thinks it’s offering you the right level of workout. If you respond “Very Hard” then AT should rein things in a bit and your next workout in that target zone should be more manageable. Similarly if you respond with “Moderate” or “Easy” then AT will push you with the next workout.
If you mark up a workout as “All out” then I believe that you should then be presented with the Struggle Survey where you can tell AT what the problem was. (I’ve yet to mark a workout as “All out” so can’t confirm)
What response did you give Williamson+4? I would have put “All Out” given the description of your post workout reaction.
Yes, marked it as an all out effort and then intensity on the next survey
5 months is a long time to stay excited!
I was excited for the first 3-4 weeks. Now I have completely forgotten that they have even introduced the AT. It was announced way too prematurely in my opinion…
I just wait for the AT inclusion email to arrive. All I know about it is this forum thread. I just keep training with my original plan builder workouts calendar and I have to say that I’m very happy with it!
There’s over 10k people in it now - a full release is probably not far round the corner.
As-is it works great as a sort of MVP (minimum viable product) for TR indoor training; my experience has been pretty good there. It definitely feels more complete than the previous offering - if nothing else, using the PLs makes it really easy to pick appropriate workouts compared to before, which was basically eyeballing the IF, TSS etc., which led me to end up doing a lot of the same workouts since I knew what I was getting into. But that’s not necessarily the best thing for progression.
Once they get the outdoor workouts working smoothly across platforms and the unstructured rides feeding in too, it’ll be really good.
I’m so sorry - I probably shouldn’t be laughing over your suffering, but this really cracked me up, thanks!
I truely hope not. Still a good amount of bugs and some of the logic still seems to be off
I’m expecting to get the invite the day before that
@IvyAudrain when can we expect to be able to add plans besides using plan builder? For example I want to use traditional base as a plan but it will not let me. I do outside group rides and then on my “days” off I want to be able to use those. Thanks
I was going to suggest the same “hack” as for the Polarised Plans but running through the steps it appears it’s not an option - you just get the “Experimental Polarised Plans” or Sweet Spot (if looking at Base).
Correct, no idea why… but that hack doesn’t work for TB.
It was discussed a while ago and mentioned as a “feature request” by more than one person.
I’m having opposite issue. Regularly getting attempted adaptations down despite consistently increasing performance at current levels and no failed workouts.
Edit: I think the system is probably trying to taper me for an “A” event I have put in, which is really just a vacation I take every year. So the system is probably working as planned, and just trying to put me in peak fitness for a fictional event where I just wanted to be in top form this time of year. It’s worked beautifully.
All my progression levels got reset after doing a ramp test this morning even though my FTP increased.
Does that have something to do with the ramp test or could it be because I have been replacing 1-3 indoor training rides per week with outdoor rides for the last few weeks?
Yes, Progression Levels adjust after any change in FTP (manual or accepting an FTP test result).
Your PL’s may drop over time, relatively slowly, if you are doing rides that don’t count towards your PL tracking (like Wahoo outside and some Garmin outside rides).
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Thanks for the info
Is there a way to see PL history or do I need to track it manually?
No tracking at this time, so manual is the only option.
That said, I think I saw mention that tracking may be on the “to do” list (Might have been Nate or Ivy posting a while ago).
I don’t really agree. For indoor training on android - no issues from me. There’s 10k people in the beta. A few people with issues for sure but I bet a large proportion of that 10k aren’t having issues (they’re certainly not posting here if they are…)
Plan Builder logic - another matter… but that already exists as a product.