Adaptive Training Closed Beta Update

Not sure where I report potential bugs / things for improvement but i’m on the beta so i’ll post here.

I’ve just done a flight where I changed the date and time of my phone. After returning home and re-setting my phone, I have found that TR logs workouts in the previous time zone rather than the updated one despite changing on the app.

Where do I report such a bug?

If you do a workout in TR with the VO2 PL that you think is appropriate it will (should) update your PLs.

Anything TR sees as a workout (workouts done through the app or on a Garmin outside although that seems temperamental) will affect your PLs.

It’s only the future stuff which needs to be part of a Plan Builder plan in order to be adapted by AT - so currently (unless it’s changed recently) if I schedule a new off-plan workout sometime next week, AT won’t adapt that.

It sounds from some of the above posts like they may have fixed the issues they did have where moving around plan workouts broke the link to Plan Builder, but I’ve not checked that myself yet.

Email support@trainerroad.com for this and all other bugs or beta issues.

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New question on AT - i just completed a 90 minute over-under workout at threshold 3.1 (I was previously on 2.0). I struggled with the last 6 minute interval but completed it. In the post workout survey I can say it was very hard, but didn’t move up in my progressions at all.

Is this normal?

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We haven’t been given hard info on the actual impact on the survey scores. But a 4-Very Hard rating is likely to leave the Progression Level unchanged. If it was a 3-Hard, I suspect you would get a moderate increase, and even more increase with a 1 or 2. For a 5-All Out, I would even suspect it may drop your PL, but that likely depends on how you answer the subsequent survey you get when selecting the 5 option.

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If you think about it - well, at least the way I use the ratings :grinning: - a workout being very hard / all out would indicate that if the workout was made any harder or you aren’t on a great day, you’d fail the workout. So with this reasoning, it makes sense that a very hard / all out workout wouldn’t progress your progression levels. Or at least not the full difference.

I think there are cases where a very hard / all out RPE, but completed successfully, should increase PL: if there is a big difference in your PL vs. workout rating. E.g., your sweet spot PL is 1.0, you do a sweet spot 5.0 workout, and rate it very hard. That feels to me like your sweet spot PL after doing the workout should increase from 1.0, but maybe not all the way to 5.0

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Yup, it should be relative to the current rider PL and the Workout Level.

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I know we all have our own definitions, but if I had done pretty well for most of the ride and only struggled on the final interval, but completed it, I would rate that as Hard, not Very Hard. For me, Very Hard means I spent most of the ride battling failure.

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Maybe I over-rated it. It was definitely a stretch workout that I’d used as an alternative to the scheduled work and a longer duration as well.

Makes sense if you rate a “progressive” workout as very hard then no progress but maybe the progressions could take into account the amount of stretch from your former baseline to the workout’s anticipated score before determining progressions?

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Thanks Chad

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I understand that unstructured outside rides don’t factor in, but you can fill out the survey for them. I had a race today, When you select ‘All Out’ it takes you to the ‘Failed’ screen, But the Failed screen doesn’t have an option for ‘Race’. Maybe something that might want to be added for when outside unstructured rides are doable?

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You just pick “I didn’t struggle”

Something similar happens with FTP tests that are not TR tests – eg a custom Kolie More test. By design, such tests result in a failure at some point – you just can’t keep going. AT thinks that you failed, by not completing the last interval.

I’ve emailed Support about this, with the suggestion that there needs to be some kind of tag that identifies such test workouts and prevents AT from thinking that it is a failure. Perhaps you could drop Support a line and suggest something similar – either tagging the ride as a race or having “race” as an option in the surveys.

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Ok, maybe I didn’t get the ‘Failed’ survey then, there isn’t a ‘I didn’t struggle’ option.

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That doesn’t work when you get a Pass survey and rate it 5 - All Out.

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Finally!!! :tada: :tada: :tada:

After much messing about and trying I finally managed to get an adaption to my endurance progression level from a measly 2.3 up to 7. https://www.trainerroad.com/app/career/bobw/rides/113511528-vogelsang Slightly ironic in that my Garmin ran out of juice about twenty minutes before the end of the ride. Given that my strength is endurance (multi-day rides of 12+hrs per day) it’s been somewhat amusing that my endurance PL was so low.

Until today no workout classed as endurance did anything to the relevant level, AT just seemed to ignore everything at that level but was happy to boost my threshold (5.2) and VO2max (9.0) levels following workouts targeted at those levels.

Next week is the recovery week and all the workouts are marked as “endurance” so I’ll see if AT accepts them.

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:+1:

Vo2 PL 9 :hot_face:

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I don’t like how Races don’t fit into the the Effort Responses.

IMO, a race is always going to be an “all out” effort no matter if it’s a A, B, or C race. I’m racing to do my best and I’m going to give it everything I have no matter what.

That “all out” race effort is different from a workout. If I’m giving a “all out” to a workout, then the workout is too hard and I need to dial it back on the next one or couple of workouts.

For races, I’ve been categorizing them as “all out” but have typed in “race effort” under the “other” response. I want it considered in my training but don’t want it to be considered as a “fail.”

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So I have been on the beta for a bit over a week now. One area for improvement is how workouts should be presented in the calendar: on the calendar you don’t see whether a planned workout is achievable or productive. You have to click on each of the workouts to see which is which. I’m saying this, because the progression level distribution did not make any sense to me: I’m currently at VO2max level 6.0 as I have finished a level 5.9 and a level 6.0 in the two weeks prior. It really took me a while to understand why my next planned VO2max workout (scheduled for tomorrow) is a mere 5.1 — the previous workout was Productive whereas this one is Achievable. Presumably that is because this week is focussed on productive threshold workouts.

This should be made obvious in the calendar view so that one can see the pattern more easily.

The other weirdness is that at present my endurance and tempo progression levels are ridiculously low: but that’s because the only endurance workouts are the extremely easy Wednesday workouts (progression level 1.x). I understand why this is the case (unstructured outdoor rides aren’t included yet, and there is an insufficient basis for data), but also here I’d say TR should improve the presentation. E. g. they should perhaps add asterisks or color the progression levels where you have had insufficient input to indicate that essentially these numbers aren’t reliable yet.

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