Thanks, maybe thats not working because my Plan is in the nearer future
Okay, you might also try going to the calendar. For example, my calendar shows “BUILD” just above “Week 7” on July 6. Not quite as descriptive as the things I find in “View Plan Overview” (mentioned above), though.
I have done at least 10 OE type sessions outdoors and never achieved a increase in levels for one. Threshold session work fine but OE never do.
I have completed OE sessions where the average power for every interval was on or above target and it still registered as a fail.
Maybe a support call, but I’m thinking there maybe an easy work around.
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I missed a vo2 workout, and my PL for vo2 plummeted from 5 something to 3 something and the recommended adaptations tuned down all my future vo2 workouts - I rejected the adaptations.
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I did a threshold workout, it was easy and my PL went up just 0.1 but the adaptation tuned up all my future threshold workouts & tuned down all my vo2 workouts (the ones I had previously rejected)…I made a mistake and rejected all the adaptations
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I added back in the missed workout manually as it had disappeared from my calendar for tomorrow.
If I do the missed workout tomorrow, will that fix my vo2 PL?
If I choose a harder alternate for the next Threshold workout, will that set me back on the right track there too?
I just got into the beta but it “seems” that AT is handling my imported from TP workouts. When I ride outdoors I associate it will my imported TP workout. I do have a Garmin so I know that matters but it is making adaptations based on my rides and evaluating the planned imported workouts. I will know more as I use it more.
The real issue is attempting to tie super-threshold efforts to an FTP value by a simple % and applying that to a wide user base. Below threshold, it makes sense. Above threshold, the differences in individual fitness make it difficult to adapt for a broad range of people.
Not really. Every vo2 max workout will impact anaerobic system due the anaerobic contributions to every effort you do. To achieve aerobic part vo2 max you have to go through oxygen deficit, so you work anaerobically. By working extremely hard with short efforts (like 1 min going max) you can push your anaerobic capacity and anaerobic power. But to train vo2 max you should go max to work aerobicaly after some time, even if the power is lower. And doing vo2 max by percentage of FTP is pointless as this is extremely individual thing that depends on many other factors than FTP. Go hard, go max and go longer than 2 min.
I’ve double booked my training day with a shoulder rehab session. The rehab can’t be moved. Is there a way to change training days without breaking AT? I’m only two weeks in, so It’s no big deal to go back and do the plan builder again.
Not sure where I report potential bugs / things for improvement but i’m on the beta so i’ll post here.
I’ve just done a flight where I changed the date and time of my phone. After returning home and re-setting my phone, I have found that TR logs workouts in the previous time zone rather than the updated one despite changing on the app.
Where do I report such a bug?
If you do a workout in TR with the VO2 PL that you think is appropriate it will (should) update your PLs.
Anything TR sees as a workout (workouts done through the app or on a Garmin outside although that seems temperamental) will affect your PLs.
It’s only the future stuff which needs to be part of a Plan Builder plan in order to be adapted by AT - so currently (unless it’s changed recently) if I schedule a new off-plan workout sometime next week, AT won’t adapt that.
It sounds from some of the above posts like they may have fixed the issues they did have where moving around plan workouts broke the link to Plan Builder, but I’ve not checked that myself yet.
Email support@trainerroad.com for this and all other bugs or beta issues.
New question on AT - i just completed a 90 minute over-under workout at threshold 3.1 (I was previously on 2.0). I struggled with the last 6 minute interval but completed it. In the post workout survey I can say it was very hard, but didn’t move up in my progressions at all.
Is this normal?
We haven’t been given hard info on the actual impact on the survey scores. But a 4-Very Hard rating is likely to leave the Progression Level unchanged. If it was a 3-Hard, I suspect you would get a moderate increase, and even more increase with a 1 or 2. For a 5-All Out, I would even suspect it may drop your PL, but that likely depends on how you answer the subsequent survey you get when selecting the 5 option.
If you think about it - well, at least the way I use the ratings 
- a workout being very hard / all out would indicate that if the workout was made any harder or you aren’t on a great day, you’d fail the workout. So with this reasoning, it makes sense that a very hard / all out workout wouldn’t progress your progression levels. Or at least not the full difference.
I think there are cases where a very hard / all out RPE, but completed successfully, should increase PL: if there is a big difference in your PL vs. workout rating. E.g., your sweet spot PL is 1.0, you do a sweet spot 5.0 workout, and rate it very hard. That feels to me like your sweet spot PL after doing the workout should increase from 1.0, but maybe not all the way to 5.0
Yup, it should be relative to the current rider PL and the Workout Level.
I know we all have our own definitions, but if I had done pretty well for most of the ride and only struggled on the final interval, but completed it, I would rate that as Hard, not Very Hard. For me, Very Hard means I spent most of the ride battling failure.
Maybe I over-rated it. It was definitely a stretch workout that I’d used as an alternative to the scheduled work and a longer duration as well.
Makes sense if you rate a “progressive” workout as very hard then no progress but maybe the progressions could take into account the amount of stretch from your former baseline to the workout’s anticipated score before determining progressions?
Thanks Chad
I understand that unstructured outside rides don’t factor in, but you can fill out the survey for them. I had a race today, When you select ‘All Out’ it takes you to the ‘Failed’ screen, But the Failed screen doesn’t have an option for ‘Race’. Maybe something that might want to be added for when outside unstructured rides are doable?
You just pick “I didn’t struggle”