Well, Thing is that I am on the middle of a plan. (Build for a 70.3)
But I feel the need for some reset. My plan is just to ride outside for pleasure and enjoyment instead of training for an specific thing.
Again, I would ditch the plan entirely. Delete it and ride to get your “reset”. Once that is accomplished, redo the Plan Builder with the backdated start and let it fill in the gap.
You could also insert a new “Time Off” Annotation for the time you want “free”. Do your own workouts in that new open space and resume the plan after.
Or just ignore the current plan and still do your own thing until you want to pick up the existing plan again.
Any of those 3 (and likely other options) could all work.
Last week I mentioned I was looking back over my past month and providing an overview to TR support. As background, I’ve had email exchanges with a rotating group of TR support personnel (mostly in a single now-loooong thread per their request) so have been working issues pretty much as they come up.
I am using PB (LV rolling road race) with no specific events; mostly working from the web but occasionally the Win desktop beta app. All my workouts are outdoors, from the TR catalog as directed by PB (with very occasional ‘free rides’ since I’m focusing on getting the most for TR/AT), and all done via Garmin (no TP or Strava links). I do add additional workouts from time to time, and most workouts are longer than as scheduled. A large proportion exceed the interval targets, some substantially so. So here is the summary I provided support today:
I have to say as I look back over the past month, it appears that I’m not getting much value by participating in the Beta. As shown in the attached pdf, of the 19 workouts I completed, only 10 appeared to perform as designed (PL recognition, adaptations,etc). Of the other 9, 2 had no result because they were unstructured outdoor rides (which is the state of AT development, I get that but it still leaves a gap). The 7 remaining technology “fails” all were done as outdoor workouts on a Garmin.
My concern is that my potential progress may be hindered as PLs I believe I “earned” are not showing, and therefore following workouts are at lower difficulty levels than may be optimal for my training. In a few cases I used alternates to grab something more challenging, but the hoopla around AT isn’t yet reality for me – I find I have to really think hard (and maybe overthink) workout choices that in theory AT should be handling.
So, I’m very open to advice on what I might do differently to get the best out of TR/AT in the Garmin/outdoor world, tested/tried and true/best practices (which a number of us have asked for in forum) and what TR can tell me so I can have more confidence that continuing to participate in the AT beta is an optimal choice for improving my performance.
TR TA results June 2021.pdf (561.6 KB)
Open to any and all counsel from those of you who have this AT Beta stuff, particularly outdoor workouts via Garmin, working more smoothly than it appears is my case.
It is a beta, and outside workouts are being worked on and not ready for primetime. My advice would be to figure out a plan B, and be patient until some of the outside workout issues are resolved.
Did the 7 fails happen sometime after June 1st? I believe reports of issues with Garmin outside workouts appeared earlier the week of June 7th, or the prior week. As I understand it, the issue reported on this thread was that a) ML can be too strict with outdoor workouts, b) leading to a fail and “why did you struggle?” survey, and c) which results in no PL updating. The bug being that PL updating only works on TR outside workouts that are deemed as pass. Hope I got that right.
I was accepted into the beta on or around Wednesday June 9th. Did my first TR outside workout on June 11th, and received the fail survey. Reported that I did not struggle, and then no PL updating. Which I believe is due to the bug mentioned above.
FWIW well before I was in the beta, back in February, I was syncing TrainingPeaks workouts to both TR and Garmin and TR correctly classified the original TP workout, and after completing the workout displayed progression info:
that was February.
This is now:
and the calendar tile showing this:
I’m sure it will all come together “soon”
At first glance, your results look pretty similar to mine.
Why do you consider all the “+0.0” productive rides (like pioneer -3 on the 17th) to be fails? Did you get the failed workout survey?
I’m glad you’ve posted this as I’ve just come into the beta, did my first indoor this morning with the how did you find it survey, then an outdoor workout this evening with AT results survey stating I’d basically failed. I suspect its as I paused during a rest interval in the main set to navigate some road furniture. Gutted that my anaerobic level hasn’t gone up with a breakthrough session that I found somewhat hard.
On the “failed” survey, select the options “I didn’t fail” or whatever the text is and you get the pass survey. I’ve had the fail survey a couple of times because of similar circumstances to yourself.
Good question. I can be clearer. I think I used the language “tech fails” meaning that AT/TR isn’t working as it is supposed to. When I have a workout at a difficulty level which exceeds my current PL for an energy system, and complete it successfully (meeting/exceeding interval targets) I should be getting a PL increase to whatever the difficulty level is for that workout. When I get a +0.0 increase the process is not working as is should be.
I got the “struggle” survey after outside workouts yesterday, chose “didn’t struggle” then “moderate” on how did it feel. Sweet spot PL still dropped 3.5 or something like that. Not a big drama but have emailed support about it as I don’t think that’s the intended behaviour. But maybe good news as it seems like outside workouts do have an effect on PL’s.
Some hiccup with my use of the forum. Some times I’m seeing my response to Sam-O, sometimes is shows (post deleted by author). Apologies if this is a redundant post:
Unfortunately, inconsistently. Some do, some do not appear to be recognized within AT.
Thanks for sharing this. I had the same: I marked a “Stretch” VO2max workout as “hard” (they are always hard, or ;-)) and the system didn’t adapt my following workouts. My VO2max level though is way above the progression level being recognized by AT hence I expected adaptations. Changing the response to “moderate” than triggered the adaptations to the level where I am.
Just while everyone is on the topic of outside workouts. I encountered a problem yesterday. I’ve contacted support about it but figured I’d ask here while I’m waiting for a response.
I completed Sloan+1 last night. It’s marked as a success, but I didn’t get a survey. I’ve got two versions appearing on the same day on the calendar now. One completed outside, and one that looks like I skipped it. I assume that they should automatically associate.
Is there a way I can sort this on my end? Would manually associating them work? Or, is there anything I can do in future to avoid the problem reoccurring?
I had this happen to me. It seems that if you try to switch a workout to outside in “Career” it doesn’t take. If you go back to the “Calendar” and mark it for outside and save it, the two workouts will merge into one. (I used the web interface.)
You can also use the web interface to update the survey response - in Career, click on the ride, then click on the three dots.
Thanks @nju001, Support got back to me (they’re pretty quick). It looks like I’d a slightly different problem (or maybe the same problem and you managed to find a workaround 
).
The outside workout for Sloan +1 didn’t have an associated PL and training zone apparently. Support are after giving me credit there. I’ve gone back in and completed the survey now.
I’m a few weeks into beta and use a Wahoo Roam. I’m doing 1-2 outdoor rides per week. So my decision was to do LV plan. Do all three workouts indoors to make sure I get all the data in AT, and any outdoor rides are just extras.
Seems to me that if you are going to do mostly outdoor rides it’s best not to be in beta or just recognize it’s going to have minimal benefit right now.
Earlier in the AT beta, the recommendation is that you should not associate a scheduled workout with an outside ride. Is this still the case? Tomorrow I have a moderate SS session that I plan to replace with a long group ride. What is the best approach with AT?
Got my invitation🤟
I built a Plan, just out of interest…how Do you see an overview ( Like 6 weeks base, 8 weeks build, etc)?
For me, I go to my Career page on the web. There are two squares on the second row: “TRAINING PLAN” and “Progression Levels”. At the bottom of the TRAINING PLAN square, you can click on a link to “View Plan Overview”.
Interestingly I just moved a workout from Sunday to Saturday and afterwards AT had a pending adaptation to the workout
That is to say, the workout was on Sunday, no adaptations. I moved it to Saturday, Adaptations suggested (small update in PL, from 4.9 to 5.0, large update in duration, from 1:15->2:00)
Seems likely they are working on something with adapting workouts that have the dates changed