I wish I knew that earlier 
OK, I got a question 
I got in the beta yesterday, setup the new plan and because I just reset my FTP from 310 to 300 I didn’t start with the ramp test. The next workout was a SS 3.1 workout and my initial SS level was 2.9. I felt this was pretty low, looking back at previous workouts, so I decided to start with a stretch SS workout.
Picked carson +1 (level 4.8) and nailed it.
SS level bumped up +1.9 to 4.8 + some tempo level up (+1.4).
So far so good… But then… no adaptation to the plan, next SS workouts still 3.1 , 3.3, 3.8 … these should be increased based on a succesful stretch workout right?
(I choose 2/moderate on the questionnaire)
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last workout:
Just checking you’re on a Plan Builder plan, and not in a rest week? Also if your workout in these zones isn’t in the current week it may not adapt until the start of next week from my experience…
someone else just noted that you might only get adaptations when you do a workout from the plan, and not when you do a random selected workout. (in my case I replaced the ramptest with a SS workout in the first week of my new AT plan, starting with a base 2 block)
Are the non adapted SS workouts on a Sunday in the default days for your block?
If so, whichever plan you are on might by design want those workouts to be Achievable rather than Progressive, hence why they were not adapted upwards.
This is the case for SSBMV2
Cool bananas. Wake me up when we get there. 
This whole Closed Beta thing is way beyond me. TR keeps sending me emails to remind me about something that doesn’t exist yet.
Maybe I’m becoming outdated. 
To a degree, this relates to the “Super Pass” issue that I discussed with TR. I has a similar performance above the defined workout and got very little “extra” despite being notably over the targets.
They said they are reviewing how they handle these performances and may make changes in the future. It only makes sense to me, that since they are likely to adjust PL downward from underperformance, that they equally need to consider upward PL adjustments from overperformance.
Did my first AT workout last night, Whaleback. Did this outside on my Garmin 530. Changed my Threshold PL and everything seemed to work perfectly, short of my first attempt at filling out the survey showing no options. A quick close and reopen of the app presented the options.
on a side note, Whaleback(4x5@105%) is classed as a Threshold workout. Where as Spidean is 5x5@106% with a 60sec reset in the middle of each interval is classed as a VO2 workout. I question the benefit of how similar the Threshold and VO2 workouts are in the LV Century plan.
Yeah, I also find that if I mark a workout as easy it never moves my levels above the workout that I found easy.
Example: I do a workout at level 5.0 sweet spot and its too easy so I mark it as such, my level does not go to 5.4 or anything, it just stays at 5.0.
Definitely still some work to be done for cases where workouts are too easy.
So at least ramp tests don’t reset everything to 1 anymore… 
I made sure to screenshot my PLs before my ramp test yesterday, did more or less the same as last time, FTP went down by 4w. I have been doing MV build, so mostly VO2 and endurance, mixed up with some outdoor rides and track workouts.
Before:
After:
Not sure why completing a ramp test would add 4 points to SS or 2 points to sprint, but oh well…
Workouts done on Garmin won’t affect your PLs if they hit TR from Strava first, even if you have Strava and Garmin both linked to TR - it seems to hit TR from Strava first.
Support thought I’d associated the outside ride with the workout, rather than pushing it and doing it via the head unit (which is what I did), so seems that when it hits TR from Strava, TR is making that association itself but doesn’t see the workout specifics like it does from Garmin and it doesn’t affect your PLs.
So I need to either wait for them to fix it and accept that in the meantime outdoor workouts won’t affect my PLs, or break the Strava-TR link but that would be pretty annoying as Strava is and has always been my cycling “source of truth”, so having stuff not automatically show up there would be irritating. However I think at the moment it only affects Zwift rides which wouldn’t show in TR when I am not dual-running TR, which is to say almost never now I’m riding outside more and not Zwift racing.
The ramp hasn’t added 4 points to your SS in that it now thinks you’re suddenly better at SS - what it’s doing is saying that you were presumably recently completing SS workouts at PL X when your FTP was set higher, so now your FTP is set lower you should be able to complete workouts with a correspondingly higher PL. I.e., it thinks you’ll be able to complete harder SS workouts with relation to your new FTP.
Whether 4 points is appropriate I’ve no idea but I guess their dataset is big enough to suggest it is…
Does anyone know if adaptive training will work with the experimental polarized plans? I’m trying to plan my off-season training out and willing to try the 6 week block of polarized?
From my general understanding of how adaptive training works, it seems that you have to be using a plan based from plan builder which leads me to ask, can you choose to do a polarized block from plan builder?
No, the experimental polarised plans are not adaptive.
Going by:
Yes
Just wanted to share what I’ve learned about the way moving future workouts and adaptations work together. I’ve been in AT beta since late May. Long story short, at the time I’ve joined it I’ve had to re-build my current plan with PB but then needed to move all of the future scheduled workouts 1 week backwards. That’s been done by simply dragging and dropping each individual workout. And I’m still getting adaptation prompts for the workouts schdduled in the future even though they have been previously moved (i.e. re-scheduled) manually.
This is what I’ve got from TR support:
In conclusion, when I had scheduled your General Build - Low Volume Training Plan on your Calendar, moving those Workouts back by one week (via dragging and dropping) didn’t disassociate those Workouts from Plan Builder, and subsequently, Adaptive Training. Your Workouts will only disassociate with your Plan Builder plan if the entire Training Plan gets deleted (resulting in those future Workouts being “duplicated”).
In short, Illya, you can completely customizing your Training Plan however you want – future Workouts and everything, and you will still be prompted with future Workout adaptations. So long as you don’t delete your Training Plan (which, I have no fear that you would be doing so), then you can drag and drop tomorrow’s Workout to today, and vice-versa with a sense of ease knowing that you will still be prompted with adaptations to your Workouts (so long as our machine learning and AI sees it fit).
One thing that doesn’t work is if I try to change my default training days using PB functionality. That would duplicate all of the future workouts (that were previously moved using “drag and drop” manual process).
Hope this helps to clarify things for other users as well 
Another thing that I’ve learned is about responding to the workout surveys. I’ve marked one of the recent workouts La Dama Blanca as “Very Hard”. TBH, it was borderline “All out” for me - really tough, although I’ve completed all intervals as designed. The workout level was Threshold 4.7. The AT proposed to reduce next week’s workout to 3.0, followed by 3.5 week after.
So I’ve asked support why do I’m getting proposed such a big reduction. That was the response:
What’s happening here is the survey response “very hard” resulting in the Adaptive Training system default to picking a lower level workout for you. When responding “very hard” workout - the system will knock back the next workout in the same workout zone and feed you an easier workout instead of continuing to progress according to your current Progression Levels.
We understand that this might be a little bit confusing and the team is actually looking to address the issue in amendments to the post-workout survey.
In the meantime, you can of course, manually choose a workout that is closer to your 4.7 Threshold Progression Level if you do feel good.
Haven’t decided what I’m going to do. Might go “half way” and pick an alternate option around 4.0…
Yes they do. You have to create a training plan and then go into each block and change the base/build blocks to polarized. I was going to use them as my bike workouts for triathlon training before a recurring running injury derailed that plan.
I am about to do 2 weeks of unstructured/relax training…
No power goals, no pace goals… just clearance of my mind
How should i handle this with the training plan/AT?
- This reads to me like you really should not have a hard plan in place.
I would think using TrainNow at most would make sense, if you are trying to keep more loose adherence to a basic training pattern, but not be locked into anything specifically. You can pluck something from TN or simply ride free however you want and play it by ear until you are ready to step back in to a full plan with a specific training goal or event in mind.