Adaptive Training Closed Beta Update

Just did Gibraltar -2 outside on my Garmin 130.
progressionlevel Tempo 6.2
Marked it as Moderate.

My progressionlevel still is 3.7 tempo.

No pending adaptations yet.
My gut feeling says it would change up a bit?

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Glad you mention this bit of history, because it offers another perspective on the current ferment in this and related threads. Actually a number of fellow old cranks had been periodically pestering TR in the forum about periodic promises from 2015 or 2016 that Masters plans were right around the corner. Like me, most of us really liked TR but could get grumpy, as now, in recounting the ways it was letting us down, and needle the team about the repeated postponement of the promised plans for us – in favor of calendars, outside rides, a plan builder, group rides, and all that gadgetry. Hmph! Nice, I guess. But where are the remedies you promised our old bones! The countdown you cite was the culmination, and the response to that was vague and tantalizing in equal parts, basically “we know, we know, but just you wait!”

In hindsight, probably worth the wait. I remember mentally mumbling “but still no Masters plans” during the Big Announcement of AT. It was only after I finally updated to the app that included TrainNow, and started using it, that I realized that in my case at least the new “intelligent” tools would likely address the older athletes’ issues better than one more fixed plan for an (indeterminately) older person. If they keep basing my new prescription/dose on how I’ve responded to an earlier one, then my age will likely be adjusted for as well, without the separate plan I was absolutely convinced I had to have.

All I know is that I’m happier with the new TR – bugs, warts, and all – than I have been in 5 years, and have been using it more and to better purpose, it feels, than ever before. No Masters plan. Likely I don’t need it. Likely it gave me something better. I’m a little curious what these threads will look like in another year or two.

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I’m still regularly having outdoor workouts incorrectly classified when I’ve easily hit all the workout targets and assuming you feel you completed the workout successfully may well be the same issue. I’d email support to let them know.

I did Bluebell+1 on Tuesday outdoors, exceeded the target watts by at least 10W on all of the work intervals and it wasn’t deemed a completed workout. The more incorrectly assessed outdoor workouts that TR get to look at hopefully the quicker it will be resolved.

“Unfortunately, it looks like you’re running into a known issue here. Occasionally outside workout outcomes don’t get correctly classified. We’re actively working on a solution for this issue to improve the classification of outside workouts.”

“Adaptive Training only works with custom plans, in terms of suggesting adaptations.”

Does this mean that AT is not adapting my SSBLV II plan?

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@IvyAudrain - I guess my plan really is Polarized

This is one of the TR experimental polarized base plans.

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I just got into the beta program. Is there a primer somewhere that explains everything?

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Wait, is that right? Everything they’ve been saying is “the new plans work on their own, but they REALLY work with AT.”

(“Custom plan” in this context means a Plan Builder plan, which customizes a long-term plan for you built from the standard plans and training blocks. If you want AT to make changes, you have to use Plan Builder.)

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Now we’re talking about an acceleration! The TR crew is dancing on the pedals and dropping the field :grinning: :+1: :+1:

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:upside_down_face: I’m still waiting :hugs:

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No FAQ but there needs to be.

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Was just going to ask the same thing…

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Not really a primer, but learned guidelines / things to be aware of:

  • Only TR rides are “scored” for Progression Levels
  • TR rides == indoor trainer rides done in the TR app or TR rides done outside ONLY using Garmin. There is a known bug with doing TR workouts outside on a Wahoo
  • AT only adapt plans built using Plan Builder
  • From other people’s comments, it looks like “super pass” (doing a workout substantially above the planned workout) is having teething problems. So if you are feeling good at before starting a workout, it appears to be better to pick a harder workout, then exceed the power levels for your scheduled workout
  • If at the end of ride, you get the unsuccessful survey for a workout you think you completed successfully, reach out to TR support
  • If you see something “weird” / unexpected, email TR support
  • There is a “bug” / timing issue that can keep survey responses from successfully saving survey response if you close the TR app shortly (< 3 - 5 minutes in my testing, but can be longer) after completing a workout, so double check each ride to make sure that your survey response is saved
  • For rating how easy / hard a workout is: there is no “absolute” rating scale. Just be internally consistent

Hope this helps

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Hey all–I couldn’t find the answer to my question but it might have been asked already, so if you can point me in the right direction, please do!

I do the low volume plan because I ride mtbs and do skills trainings and outdoor rides on three other days, so I essentially ride 6 days a week. I often end up switching my ride days due to scheduling things that come up.

  1. Should I keep to the low volume?
  2. When I need to move days around, should I do that or let adaptive training make other recommendations?

Any other thoughts on how this all should go?

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Easy question: How did you find out that you were admitted? Is it an email, or in app? Should we all add a specific email to our approved list?

received an email

there is sorta of an image it above of the email - without the golden ticket background - but that would be awesome if they did it that way instead

it takes you to a page that says “activate adaptive training” and then walks you through the first bits - took 5 min

To play devil’s-advocate… whenever this goes live a whole lot of people are going to get thrown at the new functionality. Part of a beta test can be seeing how accessible and discoverable the new features are. Troubles the beta testers make can lead to workflow improvements for the ultimate release. If you need an FAQ just to get started, that might more effort than the average live-user is willing to apply and causing them to think AT is a flop or too hard to use.

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I don’t remember - but I’ve been in the AT beta since the beginning :grinning:

I hit the activate adaptive training but was not walked through the first bits!

From my view the issue at the start is I want AT to work and adapt what I do. But it wont work under certain scenarios. I am one that would adjust my workouts to a more appropriate level. If I look ahead a week my next threshold workout is 2 PL higher then my current level and higher then any threshold workout over the next 4 weeks. The issue for me is I would normally adjust my workouts for an upcoming week based on my schedule. If I mess around now AT may not work. So if I just sub to another workout my PL may adapt but I wont get adjustments to adjust future workouts until I do another workout in the program. If I wait until the day and pick an alternative workout then that should work. My issue I really prefer to know ahead of time. This really is a beta issue in my view.