I have just submitted a query.
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If you’ve been replacing workouts then AT wont work properly anyway. It’s one of the “bugs” / limitations of the system right now. If you replace the workout using anything other than the “alternatives” screen then it’s considered “off plan”. Same for any workouts you add.
For sure that is understandable. Simply stating that, and then providing some guidance to acknowledge and work through gaps for a subset of users is just a better approach than “trust the process” and “more isn’t always better”. The latter statement is true, but not universally so in the context of either the old or new plans.
Just to confirm, alternatives is only available in the AT closed beta, yes? If more broadly available where does one find it?
Those “Alternatives” and built in replacement functions are only implemented in the AT beta at this time.
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If this were pushed to everyone, it would solve a lot of the problems in this thread, I would think. On one hand, I’m surprised it wasn’t also implemented, but on the other, it does seem quite connected to the difficulty classification for the rider which would just require PL release for everyone. Shame it wasn’t built independently enough to launch it with workout levels and the new plans, but alas.
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Agree…with the rate of beta users increasing, things may be fixed sooner than later anyways. The beta is an excellent tool as is if you understand the limitations and use it accordingly.
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- Yes, TN leverages the PL level for riders, even those not in the current AT beta.
I do think that releasing the “Alternates” option would be a great next step and one that I won’t be surprised to see as a next offering in the stepped rollout.
The issue is that it brings along relative ratings (Achievable, Productive, Stretch, Breakthrough) and I don’t know if that complicates issues or not.
But this “Alternates” tool is very useful if and when you know you want something different (harder or easier, longer or shorter) from whatever is scheduled. It might just be the missing piece to help offset the concerns of the new plans.
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Agreed on that! I’ll try to get a reading from the team if we are planning on doing more ‘stepped’ rollouts, or if we’re closer instead to introducing AT to everyone.
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- You are gonna regret writing and posting that
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Which thread is the one Ivy is posting the weekly numbers to? I seem to have lost (or tuned out) of that one.
Whatever man I can take any degree of accosting at this point. 
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Im updating the OP on this thread, and in the 🎉 🎉 🎉 Introducing Adaptive Training! 🎉 🎉 🎉 thread.
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% forum Queen 
with total control!!!
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Never forget that there is literally a MASSIVE group of us that while somewhat excited and maybe overly anxious, remain mostly silent and patiently waiting.
The squeaky wheels will always get the grease, but there are literally thousands of wheels happily rolling along until they get a new set of tires. We appreciate all that you and the team are doing, under what is likely extreme and extended pressure. Many of us work in projects or IT and we know how this goes.
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Besides, we learned on the podcast that if you want into the beta early you just have to DM Jon on insta 3x.
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It is. Part of the reply is this
" In another case where you might see progression levels be reset after making a new plan is after you do a Ramp Test. After a Ramp Test, progression levels are reset, and don’t preserve the relative relationships they had to one another previous to the ramp test .
I’m not totally sure my question was dealt with fully but tbh I’m not that bothered by the levels, I’m pretty chilled about my training amd progression right now tbh as I don’t have any competitive target events, just a 110 mile ride in early July and a 100km off road enduro type thing in September.
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The start of the plan. Admittedly I was barely using TrainerRoad in the months leading up to being in the beta so they had barely any workout history to go by but in any case it sounds like everyone will always start a new plan with all levels at 1.0.
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I understood day one that bitching and moaning about not getting in the beta will not get me in the beta.
So it’s more or less pointless to worry about a thing I’m not part of.
And there are probably thousands of people who are just using the the the “old” TR as they have been in the past.