It’s a little complicated, but at the moment, changing the schedule of workouts from the training block’s annotation menu on the calendar should keep them on AT’s radar, but moving individual workouts around moves them out of consideration for adaptations. This is a high priority for a fix and isn’t the intended final behavior.
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I’m glad I asked now.
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Does this (currently) include using the “Push Week” calendar function?
Yeah. The pushed workouts won’t get adapted, but will still affect your progression levels and adaptations suggested for non-pushed workouts.
Would that mean every workout for every week from that point out or just the 1 week? Cause that would sortof mean the push week button needs to be hands off till this functionality is ready.
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No idea if this “hack” would work, but maybe using the Annotation for SIckness or Injury, blocking a week or whatever timeframe you need to have open, would work within the Plan Builder world and not “break” the associations?
I haven’t tried to apply one of those breaks, but presumably it will trigger a PB update in a similar (but opposite way) that we get when we add or remove an event from the calendar (where PB sees this and adjust appropriately).
Can I check.
- For AT adaptations to work, do workouts have to come from
a) A Training plan? (Not chosen by the plan builder, but by me)
or
b) Specifically the plan builder?
and only these. Is that correct
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I must admit I don’t get this “Adaptions don’t work if a workout is moved” thing. If I am at a certain point in a training plan and I move a workout, surely my fitness and capability to tackle any progression levels and everything else have not changed. I am simply changing a date, probably by a small amount. Whether I do that session on Wed or Thursday should not make a significant difference to my capability to do it. Should it?
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if this is the case I might as well choose sessions myself using the progression levels of the various workouts and work from there.
I know AT is in beta, and i don’t have access to it, but I thought I understandood or at least had a sense of how it would work. …and how I would use it. I am less sure now.
Temporarily, it’s only Plan Builder plans getting adapted. Moving a workout currently removes it from consideration for adaptation, but this is a bug- it has nothing to do with your fitness and is not intended behavior. It’s something we’re working on right now, and all plans (from Plan Builder or chosen individually) will work with AT by the time it’s available to all athletes beyond the beta, as will the ability to move workouts around as needed.
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I think it is important to note that a lot of the limitations you’re describing are likely why AT is still in beta and will (hopefully) not be considerations when it goes live. The current implementation is very narrow and it is, in my opinion, too easy to fall outside of the areas where it will modify your workouts based on your performance.
As @SeanHurley has noted, they will need to minimally support AT for all TR plans, regardless of how they are put on a calendar, and deal with modifications to these plans while still keeping them within AT
Ideally they would also support custom built plans within AT - although I think that might not be strictly required for a prod release
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Handling modifications is probably the most important aspect for me. I often move sessions around to fit around other things in my life / how I’m feeling that day.
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Yeah - I think that has to be there. Too many people modify the work:rest ratio on weeks or will have a slightly different schedule week to week forcing them to have a hard Tuesday one week and a hard Wednesday the following
I’m not intimately familiar with their development, obviously, but I’m keeping my fingers crossed that getting modifications to existing plans within AT is relatively close to being able to do modifications to self-created plans. In my head a modified standard plan is relatively similar to a truly custom plan - so I’m holding out hope that custom plans being within AT isn’t too far behind that
OK thanks Sean. I read two things into this
- It will be good when I get it.
- It might still be a while… (There seems a lot still to sort out)
I am looking forward to the workout scores being published. That will help me at least, as I push and plan my training for the racing season.
Thanks
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We are pushing tons of updates and fixes, almost every day. Things are moving quickly so stay tuned!
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Thanks for updates like this - it is nice to know the things that are in plan for the initial public release vs what works right now. I know expectations are hard to manage for a feature with so many possibilities.
Quick Update: Number of Athletes in Adaptive Training Beta as of today 5/10/21 : 965!
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Sooo… 40 users added in the last 2 weeks? 
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20 per week. We’ll be waiting years at this rate 
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LOL here too, George?!? WE GET IT YOU’RE READY! 
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Seems like the Complaints progression levels need to go as high as 12
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Well, sometimes they add a bigger blocks 
But at the current rate odds are the waitlist is growing faster than that 
I guess we’ll just keep excercising patience.
At least when levels are out in combination with TrainNow we‘ll be able to fiddle around a bit better Levels are coming out today, right?
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