I’d wager they’re definitely going to change over time. Not least because they’ll start to get data from people using them for progression and suddenly find that that certain workouts are actually harder / easier than the system initially marked them.
I’ve already run into a few that felt like they might be a bit off.
Odd one today, did my planned session and after doing the survey etc it scheduled the same workout for tomorrow when there previously wasn’t one. I’ve reported it but I’m assuming it doesn’t actually want me to do it again.
Centennial -2, threshold, completed it easily enough but don’t really want to do it again tomorrow.
EDIT - I think this was self inflicted as I moved Tuesday to Monday and just did “next workout” today without really thinking about it
I’ve run into one small issue when completing the survey at the end of an AT workout - my tiny old 32" HD Ready (720p) TV can’t display the whole list! It starts at ‘Hard’, so I can’t select anything above that, and I’m not sure where the bottom is bu so far I haven’t run into issues that might lead to me needing the lower choices.
I appreciate I’m a pretty unusual case these days, but this means I have to go an update my survey response on another computer later and have been wondering if this affects my adaptation recommendations…
Maybe it’s time to finally replace the old TV with a 4K one as I’ve been planning!
Great question! There is continual refinement of Levels as we get more data and improve Adaptive Training, but those figures are unlikely to show any huge changes over the short term. They’ll be visible to all users as soon as we iron out some final wrinkles!
Ok new quick question I couldn’t find a thread on, albeit, it’s probably answered somewhere. At what progression level, lets say SS, thresh, or VO2, do you recommend a new ramp test? I feel I’m going to get to 5 on SS pretty quick. Thresh a little longer. I get enough VO2 outdoors at weekly industrial park crit.
AFAIK it doesn’t recommend a new ramp test at any stage. I made it to SS 10 and it was still able to throw sufficient load my way for the next 3 weeks. (Maybe even too much.)
You’ll just do ramp tests as you would with any plan. It won’t prompt you to take a ramp test based on your levels at all, and as far as I can tell in my experience, it isn’t smart enough yet to do this kind of thing. It’s simply changing the next few workouts in your plan based on your recent performance and surveys. So if you’re already on a TR plan, you’ll just do ramp tests when the plan has you do ramp tests.
All that said, Nate has noted they are working on FTP estimation, but it is only available for internal use right now, which suggests to me they’re still tweaking it to make sure it’s accurate. Once that is up and working, you’ll never have to take a ramp test again and AT will adjust your FTP as you progress based on your performance.
Brain fart on my part? I do recall in a podcast the mention of you may only have to do one ramp test. But does that make sense? If you feel your FTP has progressed, then I think for me, I would want to reset progression to 1.0 after a ramp test, and start training at higher power levels
I think it’s more likely that the progression levels will get more complicated and won’t be a single number to describe a workout. For example, how quickly you recover.
What is doing now is probably not based on more numbers. What I’m referring to is the future of machine learning. Adaptive training requires lots of data to train from. They can’t start out by looking at every single possible data point as that would look way too noisy and wouldn’t produce anything useful. But as they find certain trends they can expand what they are looking at.
What effect is shuffling forward my upcoming sessions going to have? As you can see there are a few days now before my next scheduled session. I guess you could say that if the plan wanted me to do something this weekend it would have scheduled accordingly.
Currently, moving the workouts on the calendar will remove them from consideration for adaptation in most cases, but their completion will still influence Adaptive Training’s recommendations for other upcoming planned workouts. Adding more flexibility in this regard is something our team is actively working on improving.
Crickey, I am often shuffling sessions around as I fit my LV sessions into a wider set of training workouts and around the weather or races. I am sure many others do the same.
So does this mean that once a plan is adopted and the days are chosen at the start, then the AT system only adpts those that were in the original schedule? Is that Correct? So say moving a week or anything else stops AT creating adaptions…
Does this mean, @SeanHurley that we would need to do something specific to trigger options once a workout is moved even once? or are we stuffed and no adaptions once anything moved - even adding a week or shuffling everything forward a day?