Adaptive Training Closed Beta Update

If you are asking about TrainNow, everyone has access to it right now.

If you are asking about the Adaptive Training beta, you will receive an email with all instructions once you are admitted.

Thanks @mcneese.chad , I may have had an email and it has got lost in the hundreds of old emails :rofl: I will check out TrainNow first, as here in UK everything is taking off ,and we’re all going mad, entering everything on the race calendar. So I am going to look at adapting my training once I’ve finished SSB next week

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I’m not sure AT will fully solve that issue - which is common with people for whom VO2Max level is not close to 120% of FTP. Nor will it (initially) solve the “which test to use” or the “ramp testing over/under estimates my FTP” issues - these will only get addressed once AT incorporates a method to estimate FTP based on your results.

On the first point, AT will give you easier VO2Max workouts if you fail them, but won’t (as far as I understand it) change the 120%xFTP interval intensity. In other words, it won’t throw you a 3x3x3min if you can’t get through a 3x3x2min, but that does not change the power level of the intervals themselves.

So you still will need to a) select the testing method which provides the most accurate FTP estimate (until auto-estimation is released), and b) adjust VO2Max interval levels if those provided by the workouts don’t work for you.

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That’s the whole concept of a closed beta. You bring in “a tiny fraction”, you test with them, you find bugs, you correct them, etc. Normally the first wave finds functional issues, and further waves uncover issues with transactional volume - how your app and back-office react to increasing traffic. It’s pointless in beta testing to add a second wave until functional issues are resolved, you’re just going to get the same bugs reported 10 times over (and 10 times more frustrated “I thought this was released” beta testers).

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That would be fantastic! I know Nate doesn’t like to give timeframes, but do you think this is something that will be completed in a day? Days? Weeks?

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There are VO2Max workouts that aren’t at 120%. 115% to 135% is what I’ve seen. Perhaps some might not be able to handle 115% for 3 minutes right away, but I think much of that is due to an underdeveloped lower end, not a deficiency on the higher end. That probably means their FTP is too high and hopefully AT can identify that.

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Generally not. As the OP indicated, his FTP as set by an 8-minutes test puts him in the right place for over/unders and threshold work, but not for VO2Max workouts. This is so common that the vast majority of VO2Max workouts have text indicating that the level may be too high or too low for many riders, and recommending one adjusts the level as required. The “VO2Max = 120% of FTP” is not a law of nature, it’s an average of most riders.

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Which is why I said they have vo2max workouts that are not just 120%. I would argue that if you can’t do Bago, then your FTP may be too high. It starts at 110%. And with AT, these workouts will progress, so perhaps you aren’t able to do 120% now, but doesn’t mean you never will.

What I’ve been doing in the meantime is finding the icon for Nate, SeanHurley, Brandon, … etc., and clicking on it. Then click on their username, which brings up their profile, and then click on “Activity.” This gives a chronological list of their latest forum activity (across any topic). Each entry has 2-3 lines of what they wrote so you can quickly scan for comments related to whatever you’re interested in.

It does require knowing in advance the particular forum user whose comments you want to see, but it’s been fairly useful.

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Hehe, I’ll say “soon” :grin:

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I agree it would be great to see visually how you have progressed over time and then the option to change the timeframe. On the Adaptive Training Youtube trailer, they have ‘marks’ on the progression levels. I assume this is a feature they just haven’t enabled yet. Hopefully we’ll be able to change the timeframe, would be nice to see how you’ve progressed over 2, 4, 8, 12 weeks.

Do you have to use Plan Builder for Adaptive Training to work? I didn’t use Plan Builder because I’m in the last few weeks of current plan. I’m in the beta and haven’t had any changes to my current plan.

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How good is it so far at estimating FTP, and does it adjust threshold noticeably if you’re going too easy?

I’m not sure how the levels and FTP estimation work, sounded to me like they’re not the same thing but the effects might be similar (ie. making workout harder or easier).

You may just not have a very well developed VO2 ability if you’re FTP is at a high percentage of VO2, it doesn’t automatically follow that your FTP is wrong. The only way of finding out is by going to a lab. I’d suggest if you have a pretty good TTE at FTP then you probably just have a small gap between FTP and VO2.

we have about 2-3% chance of getting in each week

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AT doesn’t estimate or adjust FTP. It adjusts your progression levels based on the workouts you do. For example, if you finish a threshold workout easily, it will recommend a harder threshold workout next time (based on your threshold progression level). If you successfully complete progressively harder workouts, the next time you take a FTP test presumably you will get a higher number, then progression levels reset then the cycle starts over.

None of us have had more than 2 or 3 weeks of testing yet, but this is the theory.

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No, you don’t have to use plan builder to use AT, but you will need to manually check workouts. That is, if you select a TR workout, AT will show you the Difficulty level (e.g., achievable, productive, stretch, not recommended, et.c) for the workout you selected, and you would then need to manually select a similar workout (e.g., sweet spot) that is more suited (e.g., you originally selected a Not Recommended, and so you decide to do a productive or stretch instead, or the opposite) to where AT thinks you currently are.

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In fact, VO2Max isn’t a percentage of FTP at all…it is a physical condition. This idea that it is 120% of FTP is the misconception. If you’re doing 5 minute VO2 max intervals it will be achieved at a lower % than if you’re doing 2 minute VO2 max intervals.

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We started posting a list of known issues with Adaptive Training in the main Adaptive Training thread. While we’ll continue to post updates on numbers in the beta here, updates on bugs and new functionality will be posted there. We’ll also post the number of athletes in the beta in that thread.

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Isnt saying soon dangerous around here…Go google How soon is soon and it looks like it should be ready next week…Just saying. :smiley: