Never paid attention to w’ but shouldn’t this be normalized for the weight and/or ftp?
If a 60kg rider does 25kj isn’t that more effective than a 90kg rider doing 35kj?
Am I missing something?
It’s not something you do, it’s something you have, energy you can spend above FTP. You could divide it by weight, but that doesn’t help you as you don’t usually spend it depending on weight.
How do I know if I have it before doing it? Whenever I see a w’ being discussed it is off of an executed effort.
What is the formula for w’? Don’t tell me they are taking the integral of the cp curve above ftp?
Since ftp/cp tied strongly to weight and kj is an absolute unit that would be expected.
For the last 8 years or so a very important metric around pacing, race analysis, predictions etc is kj/kg/hour. Some youtubers and wko charts use that too.
Makes sense for executed efforts.
I was wondering how they estimate how much I have. Since it is mentioned that w’ is something I have and not something I do. Looks like the other way around.
I’d guesstimate WVA’s FTP at or above 500W and would reckon he’d be in the ballpark of the kilowatt minute.
His FTP will be way way higher than 400W. For reference, Jay Vine’s FTP is 430W at 69kg and no disrespect to Jay but he can’t do all the things Wout can do in bike racing
I have a screenshot from Wout’s Garmin at a training camp, where he did a 4h ride with a 20’ test after about 2h where he did 471 or 478W. Which is a 448W FTP. Perhaps fresh he could do a bit more, as shown in the numbers in Charlie cycling and carbs’ Youtube video.
I’d assume that would be an absolute floor though. Was it maximal? Was it in July? Plenty of middle of the road amateur 1st cats where I race with FTPs in the 400s so for WVA to ride away from the Tour peloton I just think he has to be well over 450.
I remember that YouTube video. Idk if it was fresh or not but it was almost 480w for 20. The big difference between middle of road amateur and world tour isn’t so much that WT riders have way more power but rather that they have way more repeatability, can recover from huge rides quicker, and can produce bear their maxes towards the end of long races. WVA had a perfect lead out onto the punchy climb, attacked, and then soloed away from the field for like 15mins in this years tour. He’s awesomely strong, but that was perfect team tactics to set it up and be delivered.
I think him, MVdp and the sprinters (who weigh over 75kg) can all do a kilowatt for 1min fresh. I looked at MVDP data from his XC data and he regularly spiked 30-45sec with avg power around 900 and that’s within a 1:20min race
Pretty good! I did the math, that’s like me doing 807 for a minute, and although I haven’t given my one minute max effort, through normal riding I’m at about 600. So a ways to go!
Thanks man, appreciate it. I have actually turned my attention to the 1100w minute now!! I did the 1000+ off of 2 or 3 weeks (loosely) specific riding/resistance off the back of a short crit season. This last few weeks so I’ve been hitting it pretty hard in the gym as well. Gained a couple of kilos but hit a big 30sec and 2min improvement this week. Im not sure I’m there yet but I think it’s possible soon.
Ok so I gave it a try 2 hours into a ride last Saturday on a climb but it was to shallow, I cramped, and I was too weak anyway. Another low 1000w minute. Today I had a stab at a 1200w 45’ effort after a few sprints yesterday. I bettered my 45’ PR but didn’t quite hit 1200. Made me think though. If I can hold 1200w for 45’ which I’m confident I can, I still need to hold 800w in theory for the final 15’ I think it is achievable but not as close as I thought. Maybe a longer term goal for sometime this year.