Workout Levels V2 update? [Unstructured Rides]

[WindWarrior]

@Power13

“But I want a simple answer!!”

Did you order the code red?!

[AldridgePrior]

@WindWarrior

I clearly need a lot more aerobic endurance and conditioning work, in order to do the really hard work. And small doses of really hard work seem to have a big impact on driving my fitness gains,

What’s that you’re saying? Lots of endurance + smaller doses of really hard stuff? Someone should come up with a name for that mix, might even catch on…

[Jolyzara]

@Abe_Froman

Yea that’s my fairly uncertain anecdotal conclusion as well. I seem to get larger gains when doing 8-10hrs a week of majority unstructured rides during the summer, vs following the ~6 hr mid volume TR plan to the T over winter.

You are looking at this the wrong way. Your longer weeks that are mostly unstructured in the summer, followed by more structured training in the winter is in line with traditional periodization and builds upon the other. This is very similar to every high school and collegiate running program around. Following a couple weeks off the summer is all about building up your mileage in the summer (maybe some hill reps/tempo/strides, etc.)… followed by a more structured season in the fall. It is not >< but rather more 1+1.

[WindWarrior]

Back in the 1970s we called it building and maintaining a strong base of fitness or something like that. Or conditioning work.

Now older, I call it exercising for health and longevity, and the bonus is high performance.

[WindWarrior]

@AldridgePrior

Someone should come up with a name for that mix, might even catch on…

And FWIW I looked up the origin of the term polarized and it’s a lot older than many think. Here ya go:

Polarized Training Discussion (Fast Talk podcast & Flo Cycling podcast)

Billat calls it polarized in that 2001 paper, and at the end of that sentence credits a 1981 paper on elite marathon runners. I’m digging the flashback to 70s running craze. Everything old is new again! Joking aside, was watching a womens biathlon event last night and everyone crossed the finish line and collapsed. Those short XC events are legendary in my mind for showing just how hard you need to train in order to push the body to its absolute limit. I salute a…

[dmalanda]

[NateP]

At this point I’m hoping for it to be out by next northern hemisphere spring.

[ChefAcB]

Is the motivation survey working for anyone? I’ve done 2 workouts since the new update and haven’t had 1 pre workout survey…

[mailman]

Nah, I haven’t seen the motivation survey. I also saw it on the notes.

Definitely some cool things coming.

I don’t much care for the notification thing in the top. The added functionality for resuming rides should be great, though I wish there was some sort of delay/check for TR updating to Strava/Garmin Connect after a crash. By the time the app loads (which can take ages after a crash) and then gets through the options to resume, the workout pops up in Strava and I have to go delete

[hpbieker]

I think this is fairly well handled in Xert. Instead of just assigning a TSS value to each workout (structured or not), Xert will have separate strain scores for Low Intensity, High Intensity and Peak Intensity. The thinking is that the more you strain say the High Intensity system the higher score you will get. If you do an endurance ride the high intensity score will be low.

Xert will also prescribe previous outdoor rides alongside indoor workouts with similar stats. In my case Xert will propose a few times times up a hill (just under 20 min each) on my harder days.

[hpbieker]

There are a few improvement points. It will happily suggest that you go for an another 250 XXS ride as soon as you come back from such a ride (same day). And the endurance rides are really anything at TP and below, so don’t expect that you can complete them all.

[hurdle]

Anyone know when the new updates are coming? It’s been a while now since they announced anything. I’m keen to get these outside rides analysed!!!

[mcneese.chad]

I moved your post under the long running one covering the topic. Read up above to see the prior discussion.

In short, nothing coming other than teasers on the podcast from time to time.

[Jesse_Vernon1]

I’d love to do an outdoor workout, and because of terrain, have to extend the rests, and then see that reflected in the difficulty.

[cyclhist]

@mcneese.chad

In short, nothing coming other than teasers on the podcast from time to time.

Oh @mcneese.chad, keep the faith!

[mneugeba]

Is it happening??!?!??!

Science-Backed Aero Position Hacks for Cyclists – Ask a Cycling Coach Podcast 454

[Pbase]

I haven’t seen any update since the podcast. Of course we had the holidays, so my expectation is to start hearing something after the New Year.

I can’t remember…is WLV2 going to incorporate off bike cardio, like running and hiking?

[huges84]

Nate’s great but he is terrible about over promising and under delivering.

Here’s his typical pattern:

• TR prototypes something and internally trials it.
• Nate tries it himself and gets amped up
• Nate spontaneously talks about it on the forums / podcast
• Nate spitballs something like “if there’s no issues, this will come out in beta / production in 1-2 weeks”
• Nothing comes out for a few months. Turns out there were edge cases not considered, bugs, UI work needed, etc. Maybe the whole thing needs to be redone.
• Nate apologizes and admits it’s delayed. Depending on the situation, he may immediately start the hype cycle again.

I don’t think this is done on purpose, more it’s a character flaw. But how many times do you have to get bitten to stop petting the stray dog?

[DO-IT-ALL]

I think Nate knows what he’s doing when he talks about up coming product releases.

He’s a clever guy and knows what marketing approach works best for him/TR.

[Flamingo]

I cancelled my subscription because of the workouts v2 delay.