Workout Levels V2 update? [Unstructured Rides]

[SarahLaverty]

This is a productive conversation . Collectively, you’ve captured different use-case scenarios of WLV2, why you will get faster with TrainerRoad as it stands now, what WLV2 will add and who will benefit most from WLV2 when it is released.

@Dono

Do you guys have any idea or estimation you can give on when WLV2 might be released? Just curious since I haven’t heard any updates recently, I understand that software development takes time, but I was just wondering if you had a general (even if it is vague), estimation of when it will be ready for release.

This response from Nate still holds true:

Here’s the state of that. WLV2 is used in some ML analysis in AI FTP Detection. It’s in a state that improves the accuracy of AI FTP Detection but isn’t at the level where it’s close enough to change what your next workout is.

Right now the roadmap for features is → RLGL in Plan Builder (volume recommendation), WLV2 on TR workouts, WLV2 on outside workouts.

We have prototypes of both RLGL plan builder and WLV2 on TR workouts. We’re doing TR workouts first because there are less variables and it let’s us validate WLV2 on a larger scale.

@Jesse_Vernon1

I’ve seen TR folks repeatedly advise not to find matching TR workouts to match to ‘unstructured’ rides. I agree that might change with WLv2, but right now they seem to be saying ‘don’t cross the streams’.

Correct, I explain this above :).

@BarnabyG

strength training is a feature that I’ve jumped on, and indeed has kick-started my strength-training journey. After less than 2 months of 2x/week strength training, I’m already noticing massive improvements in my power on the bike.

Amazing! I love this. Keep it up .

@OreoCookie

An unstructured ride can still be part of training. E. g. I like to practice bike handling (like descending) and pacing (maintaining even momentum even if you need to adapt your power output). I don’t expect to get a stronger engine from those rides, but a smarter engine management unit

I reckon when we get WLv2, many of us will be disappointed by “how little we progress outdoors” in terms of PLs (apart from endurance rides). That’s because on unstructured rides, you usually don’t put all your eggs in one basket. If I want to attempt a PB on a Strava segment that is 30–40 km away, I’ll be really conservative getting there and accept I might have to limp for a good bit until I have recovered.

Another problem is that the order of things matters: it is one thing to smash out a hard threshold workout and then tack on 2 hours of endurance. It is entirely something else to reverse the order. How should TR score those two rides? (I have no idea.)