Does this happen to anyone else?
Over winter I just want to do some SS workouts 3x/week to see where I could end up PL or TiZ wise before going back outside in spring.
So I just fire up train now to see what it suggest for “climbing”. If in case it suggests a threshold a keep hitting refresh until it gives me a SS workout.
That got me to a certain point but now whenever I check it keeps suggesting me the exact same workout every single time. I followed that few times to see if thats just a phase but it just kept going with it.
So now I need to select a harder workout manually to keep myself progressing.
So well, that I could also do myself without TR.
I was in contact with support but they couldn’t help me really and ended with suggesting to use workout alternatives
Just tied to do something similar by adding AI workouts to the calendar. Same issue, the PL suggestions are completely wild and especially with no progression whatsoever.
Please note that the last workout I did was that SS 5.7 one which I marked “moderate”. So I’d expect something like maybe 1..2 workouts a bit lower to get back after couple days being sick to then pass over 5.2 rather than to staying under it.
Note 2, as described, that exact behavior I saw also before getting sick, so it’s likely not caused by that.
And I think I see the reason: It “thinks” that a proper progression will result in a lower FTP (272w vs. 283w) than the weird “AI” progression. Here when I try to manually add some progression how I would expect it from the system:
Do you think with the way that you set it up with AI workouts and coming off being sick, once TR see’s that you completed the first workout back it will start to adapt upwards?
I guess along as your AIFTP is up to date.
With the time you took off you souldn’t be needing a recovery week.
That’s the whole point of AI: think your plan as template (e.g. you planted SS workouts on certain days). Now it is AI job to adjust next workouts as you execute current day workout, taking into account your fatigue and how you responded to effort feel question.
If it comforts you, AI generated plan has all SS workouts with PL 10 for me. I am most certainly not be able to go full month this way and I am sure AI will adjust them downwards once I get to the actual workout day.
So you think prescribig me the same workout all over again for weeks (remember: that’s what happened and not a “template”) is useful? Have you met anyone who got better keeping doing the same?
But here comes what I was fearing. Bad training plans will from now one be defended by “but the AI…” which noone can reasonably argue against and TR’s own support doesn’t even start trying to understand whats going on anymore
I think you’re missing the point: The workout shown in the calendar for a given day will likely change by the time that day arrives. The AI will swap it out for a different one based on your previous sessions.
I get your argument, but this isn’t a static plan, that’s the entire value proposition of TR vs other platforms. Do the first workout, answer the survey, and your future workouts should adjust upwards unless you struggle to complete them.
I’m not here to defend their AI or anything, but TR pretty openly says that your upcoming workouts on the calendar are more of a blueprint and it’s likely the actual workouts will be different than what you’re seeing scheduled right now.
I’d be curious to see what your previous month looks like if you could screenshot your calendar from December to now? Since you said you saw this behavior before getting sick.
Do the rides and rate them. The 4.3, 4.5 are all within similar ratings and based on your past performance maybe a 5.2 is easier for you based on the structure. If it showed the crazy ramp and then you didn’t get there would that make you happier?
You are getting yourself upset and haven’t even recovered yet from the illness.
Then it makes sense, like a few of us had said, TR is easing him back in. Once the AI sees he can compete the workouts, it should start adapting upwards.
Sorry, but I fear you are the one missing the point, even if I already explained it multiple times above.
So let me try again in the hope someone from TR will care to look at what is wrong and fixes it.
The future plan shows exactly what happened in the past as well: I kept (past tense! it already happened!) getting the same or easier workouts again and again. And I manually select harder ones most of the time and completed them without issues.
And no, the TR support didn’t say that their proposals are right and I should just follow it. They resetted things in my account and when that didn’t help gave up telling me to keep using workout alternatives.
And that future plan shows that it will keep going exactly like that. Yes, I know it’s dynamic and could change e.g. if it gets too hard or too easy. Nothing of that matters. If everything works as expected that plan will stay exactly as-is. Else it wouldn’t make sense to show it at all.
And as you can see, the plan doesn’t make any sense, because it has has rather regression than progression. Exactly as it had in the past.
That being said, I have one idea why it’s doing what it’s doing. And that is that TR stopped to use their PL system for exercise prescripton. At least in one of the latest YT podcasts it sounded a bit like that.
If that’s true it could mean that their new system considers two workouts a progression even if the nominal workout PL’s are equal or even the later one having a lower PL than the earlier.
In case that’s true, if would be great if someone could confirm that and then ideally remove PLs from the UI, as this would be highly confusing.
Another more far-fetched idea is that it internally updates FTP setting more frequently than it shows in the upcoming plan and therefore lowers PLs.
I think you are getting a bit hung up on workout levels… I think it makes more sense for them to stay pretty much the same rather than increasing every single time…. unless you really think your fitness will increase significantly in two days after completing one workout?
This is absolutely true - the AI is blind to the workout levels - it’s just looking at raw watts (and RPE, and fatigue, and heart rate).
The levels are just there as a visual aid.
I’ve been using the beta for months now and noticed the same as you regarding non-linear workout level progression…. but it’s got me fitter and faster so I’m happy
