I think “lots of bugs” is overstating it a little.
I can think of two that they probably want fixed before they release it.
One feature they talked about hasn’t been released to the beta group yet - so I expect that to be added after release maybe.
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God bless the TR crew for working like crazy over the holidays.
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Not sure there was much choice. They probably wanted to launch this months ago before indoor season started. Can’t miss new years too (well they did, but not by much).
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Thanks. Follow-up question… if power / HR from the activity is now all that’s needed, is there any reason to lock activities to the TR app (or zwift)? Does this now open up the possibility to export a scheduled workout for execution on ANY platform (or outdoors)?
I can certainly think of one! 
I wish there was a way that those outside the beta could get a sense of how hard TR is working behind the scenes. It might ease the impatience we’re seeing. They are responding quickly and in detail and really getting into it. The CEO himself has been running manual tests on specific athletes’ profiles and communicating with the beta testers directly and productively.
Ya, there’s bugs but of course there are; this update is fairly big.
Be patient everybody it’ll get here! 
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I think Nate is more eager for it to come out than anyone else. They are finding bugs as they ramp up the scale. This is normal and expected.
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Which is of course completely acceptable and expected.
But, I do question a bit why they didn’t ramp up before Nate said just a few days before Jan. 1, that he wanted to to launch on Jan. 1?
If they launch on Monday, all will be forgiven. But, otherwise, I’d prefer if TR waits until they are really ready to launch….not just expand their beta testing group.
And yes, as a kid I also hated waiting for Christmas. 
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Turns out I’m in the beta, Oops.
Anyways, a general question on the new stuff. It’s been mentioned a few times that this new AI is looking at power and HR. However I’ve been doing a fair bit of heat training lately. That means I’m either extending a workout for 30-45 mins at mid-z2, while my HR climbs to 150-155 due to the heat which would be a SS HR for me. Or I do a standalone low level endurance ride with no fans and thick clothes on and let the HR do the same thing. Wouldn’t this screw AI up? I can go outside the same day and do a 3+hr z2 ride at higher wattage and be sub 135bpm entire time. So I’m feeding it wildly differently data without the context that one is at 40 degrees and the other is with no fans and clothes on at 80+ degrees.
Similarly, my HR was super depressed today probably from training fatigue. Still had threshold intervals, which I did and completed, and HR was 5-10bpm lower than when fresher. RPE actually wasn’t terrible once I got going. How does the AI differentiate this from me just being fitter and bumping up future workouts to compensate? I think I marked it as hard, but was borderline very hard.
My HR is lower with low cadence work too, even though the RPE is higher.
Just curious how much weight is put into HR, and/or how it’s removing/understanding outliers associated with altitude, weather, fatigue…..etc.
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Im starting a new plan, I wonder is this right ? How I have scheduled days normally I try to ride on Saturday outdoors but dont want to miss two productive hard sessions during week but now worried Friday will be too tight for Saturday. Thanks
It looks like it’s suggesting you shorten your interval durations in order to avoid the yellow days. Doesn’t leave you a lot of room to grow, especially with Sweetspot.
Did you set Saturday to 45 minutes or did the plan builder do that for you, expecting you’d have a yellow day? Seems really short.
Other option is you could move your Friday intervals to Thursday, then those interval workouts won’t affect your Saturday Endurance. I personally find Endurance zone to be far more tolerant of fatigue than others, & you have Sunday off anyway.
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I think it’s the opposite. They said they want a 1 hour workout and it’s saying that they’ve run out of headroom at 1 hour, so they recommended a 90 min workout.
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As long as you dont mind being tired on the saturday ride then I suppose this is fine…. but it would be optimal to move your hard friday session to thursday if possible.
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I’m curious about how much this AI function actually takes the athlete into account — specifically the type of athlete/profile you are.
I’ve been using TrainerRoad for several years now, but I often feel like the recommended workouts and plans are extremely varied and complex. It sometimes feels like I end up doing a bit of everything from the workout library rather than following a clear, progressive structure.
Because of that, my impression is that I’ve become more “versatile” as a rider, but without seeing real improvements in FTP or overall performance. My FTP has been fairly stagnant for a long time, and I’m not convinced I’m getting better despite being consistent.
So my question is:
How does the AI account for individual athlete profiles (strengths, weaknesses, training history), and how does it ensure long-term progression rather than just constantly rotating through different workouts?
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I’ve had a lot of success doing a hard workout on a Friday before doing a long outdoor ride on a Saturday. Kinda forces you to keep a lid on it, and I would imagine there are some benefits to riding (easy) with the fatigue in the legs.
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There are two new features to do with longer workouts getting automatically scheduled….
There’s the Workout Extension setting mentioned in Nate’s post that you were responding to - this allows the system to automatically schedule longer workouts once you’re maxing out WLs in a zone.
And there’s also the Dynamic Endurance feature being previewed in the following thread:
With this feature, instead of you entering a specific fixed duration for an Endurance workout/ride when building your plan or adding something to your Calendar, you specify Dynamic duration and a maximum amount of time. The system then decides the duration of these rides so as to extend time in zone up to the max duration you gave it. To address your question, this automatic build-out of Endurance duration does not require your Endurance ALs to have become maxed out - it happens at normal levels, like in the promo image in the opening post of the thread I’ve linked to.
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Has everyone’s account been updated? I feel ike there are some changes to my account, but it doesn’t appear to be fully updated.
Same old for me. I sent them an email and they said they’re rolling it out for everyone very soon.
I’d try raising my ftp, your PL levels will drop so your SS and THR workouts should return to previous lengths (I’ve just done this myself).
Then swap THR to Thursday or Wednesday, so your dynamic Saturday endurance can extend.
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I think it happens before you max out WLs.
I have it next week recommending on Thursday Jannu 6.0 Threshold for 75 minutes over Manzanita 7.3 Threshold for 60 minutes. Actually if I say I want 60 minutes at this point it drops it to a 4.4 workout. I think it’s trying to get you to the highest workout it thinks you will complete.
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Nothing new on my end.