TR Feature Suggestion: How motivated are you to train today?

Don’t know how I feel about the emojis, but the idea seems really solid.

Considering the teasers of the Red Light / Green Light feature in prior podcasts, I’d offer only 3 options with “simplicity” in mind (since we often see indecision with more options).

:green_circle: = Good to go

:yellow_circle: = Maybe ready, but uncertain

:red_circle: = Not great

And judging from the TR comments on the surveys, I suspect they want something immediate and simple for users, without a need to offer “definitions” that will lead to it’s own level of confusion :wink: In that sense, the lights / color may not work well vs the face / emoji that is potentially more “obvious”.

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I like it. The emojis are simple and easy to understand. I find them more straightforward than the post-workout survey.

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Do you think the order of emoji’s will skew results? If “happy” (highly motivated/feeling good) was on the left would there be a tendency to pick it more?

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Personally, I’d rather just have a number scale. Preferably a 1-10 one as I’m not a very emotional person and I’m guessing I’d always click the middle one but with bit more options I’d probably use 3-7.

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Oh no. Similar discussion on the „how did the workout feel“ rating.

I think it was in the https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/suggestion-for-those-who-find-progressions-too-intense/83685/248 thread.

People not being able to decide what feels like „moderate“ to „hard“ to „very hard“. Same might be with emoji’s…

Solution: Just ask for the number on a scale from 1-5. (Maybe giving a smiley or word behind the number as additional hint).

Or even fewer options like 1-3 as chad showed above with red/yellow/green light.

Or 1-4 and if you want to keep the smilies:

1 - :face_with_spiral_eyes:
2 - :neutral_face:
3 - :saluting_face:
4 - :smile:

In the end you’ll convert it to a number / weight to feed into the algorithm anyway.

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my word can i get some millennials in here to appreciate the emoji revolution

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Not a fan of the emojis as they are. Need more distinction- either with color or numbers.

Example with color

images

Numbers

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Personally I like the idea of numbers as opposed to emojis. Also there are a lot of days I end up moving workouts cause I just can’t bring myself to exert that effort. I would be curious if this was tracked in a daily basis if it could provide any insights.

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Tone: Friendly, constructive criticism:

I personally don’t dig the idea, and would never answer. I’d really like an option to not even see this survey; it would really throw me off my game starting a WO.

I sort of get where the question is coming from; if you’re already run down, this will help explain why you rated a 8.1 difficulty VO2 ‘Very Hard’, when you ranked a lesser workout Easy the previous week.

I can easily see how the Adaptive Training algorithm could be adjusted to alter the user’s rank either more, or less, from the post workout survey response, given their motivation level going in.

7.5 user does 8.1 workout, Stoked + Very Hard = Small or no bump up, Tired + Very Hard = larger bump up, etc.

But:

1 – We’ve got some overlap w post workout survey. If I do an 8.1 today and call it Very Hard, but I did an 8.1 last week and called it Easy, we know what’s up. I’m not magically weaker. [And if we flip this, I’m also not magically stronger in 3 – 7 days.]

Furthermore, once I call it Very Hard, we get an opportunity to input Sleep, Nutrition, Stress, etc. So we’re already doing the motivation survey, in a slightly different form, are we not?

I mean… Bottom Line: If I’m tired from lack of sleep, and unlikely to perform well / not as well as expected on my current growth trendline, there is already a catch net for this data. Correct?

2 – Too Wishy-Washy, and not enough data. You guys nailed it on the post workout survey by providing very clear cut definitions for each response. Users know exactly how to answer.

How “motivated” am I ? Like… to succeed overall, and want to push myself to keep advancing IRL & in TR? How energetic I currently feel? If I feel like I have all the time in the world to enjoy this, or if I’m really cramming this between dinner and a medical appointment, so unfortunately not fully able to enjoy?

3 – Trying to measure too much, that possibly isn’t measurable, or relevant. If I slept poorly, or a customer made a bad decision at work, but I’m able to shake it off, get on the bike, and kick some butt, that’s all that matters. Perhaps in the minority, but I spend all day really looking forward to my workouts, they’re often the best part of my day! And also psyching myself up to knock them out of the park! Extra few hundred cals at lunch, spicy music on the drive home, no negative thoughts, etc. I don’t want to jump on the bike to have someone ask me to think about “How motivated am I?” …. Oh, right. Slept poorly….true…. : / I just want to jump on and rip! : )

5 - If I’m really too tired to do my AT recommended WO [extremely rare], it’s up to me to adjust it down a bit, and I want to directly be in control of that. I don’t want the system to step it down for me if I’m not feeling at 10/10 maxxxed-out super-power level one million. [So if forced to respond, I would literally always answer 5/5, 3/3, etc.]

If you do proceed, I’d strongly recommend making it a 2 or 3 option input only, instead of 5. It will force a significantly different response, and more significant and actionable data.

:frowning: :blush: or :frowning: :neutral_face: :smiley:

[Chosen emojis are fine; voted to help.]

I can agree on numbers to some degree. I have used my own scale for “Effort” and “Feeling” since before the TR surveys. I originally had a simple 1-3, but adopted 1-5 once they added the surveys (to record in parallel).

  • EFFORT. ( 1 - 5 ): Same at TR survey now
  • HAPPY… ( 1 - 5 ): 1 = not happy or motivated, up thru 5 = happy and motivated

That said, I think many people will want something more than a pure number for a choice like this. Emoji makes some sense and parallels that pain scale in a way (which also reinforces colors as mentioned above, that I think is useful as well)

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Totally understand. I’m a numbers guy myself so that is why I say that. I also had the thought of a combo number/emoji scale like you put out.

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+1 for colour differentiated, large and clear emoji.

If i have to put my glasses on or zoom in to decipher an emoji, then i wouldn’t bother.

Training Peaks do it well.

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I like the idea and I hope it works. I like the big colorful emoji like Buckethead posted.

I do wonder a bit about effectiveness though. I recognize I’m the target audience and this could help me, but if I’m being honest, I’ll also say that in Garmin Connect when it says “how do you feel today”, 95% of the time I choose “Normal” (the middle).

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We have thought about this and have a way to test to see if it’s an influence.

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Yah, we thought about adding emojis for the post workout survey too.

We’ve seen a lot of discussion on the forum about what to choose, but when we look at our data what (most) people choose is inline with what we’re expecting.

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The cool thing is we can collect the data and then see if it correlates to any result.

IE we will know if it’s a good metric to track.

I’d also love to sync this with other metrics. IE how does sleep or HRV connect to motivation? Do they track 1:1? Can we predict motivation based on other hard metrics, therefore not needing motivation? (probably not but maybe?)

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This study says that at least for pain, emojis are enough and you don’t need numbers.

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Have you got the ability to (internally) collect the HRV etc etc datat from Garmin for those of us that have given TR access to our Garmin data?

Or does that require building out before you can even see the data on your end?

YOU FOLKS ARE SLIPPING.

What about the universal emoji for training? :poop:

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