Tom Bell busts the TR myth/cult that indoor and outdoor FTP is the same EVEN IF 95% people feels differently… [image] Indoor FTP vs Outdoor FTP: Why They Feel (And Are) Different — High North... Cyclists who train both indoors and outdoors will be acutely aware that it often feels harder to produce power indoors vs outdoors, so let's dive in to understand exactly why that might be.

[image] AlphaDogCycling: Let me solve this debate once and for all with the introduction of TTP ™ - the one metric to rule them all. Clearly it should be hyper training threshold power and strength or https. That way it’s better than the old way of doing things like ftp and gopher (gym only power and home exercise result)

I like this, let me take it further. My watt kg metric is Watts PLUS kg. It’s mine so no one else can use it. I now rule the domain with 340Wkg.

:rofl::rofl::rofl: man my WKg is gonna be untouchable at this rate.

I have noticed my stages power meter arm reads about 5-15w lower than my cycleops hammer trainer (depending on the wattage) by linking them to different head units on the same ride. So I just ride to the hammers power when using the hammer and ride to the stages when outside = lower indoor ftp problem solved!

Few monts ago I started this topic also… and I still think this is a legit question… [image] Undertraining indoors? Training Looks like everyone here (at least TR podcast crew) agrees about altitude training to train low and sleep high because you cannot hit the numbers at altitude but on the other hand they don’t implement this logic for training indoors… For example my FTP is at least 10% lower inside and vo2 max power is even more… so vo2 numbers inside are almost my FTP outside… and by “train low - sleep high” logic I should avoid indoor training if I can?

I have to say, if you* (royal you) have a drastically higher outdoor power than indoor, it’s probably because your fan situation is woefully inadequate. Heck, look at some of the pain cave pics. Some of y’all need fan Jesus. You really need at least one serious blower fan if not two or three. Another possibility which hopefully isn’t the case is using a trainer power meter inside and different power meter outside.

Second on the fan point. I have 3 box fans plus a stand up fan (Lasko walmart) and I sweat a huge amount even with that

I have same bike, same PM, 2 fans and air dehumidifier… and it is not just me…

[image] blind76: it is not just me… Any ideas on the missing link(s) that remain at the root of the differences?

Tom Bell about TR statement that indoor and outdoor FTP is the same

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blind76 February 20, 2023, 3:52pm 56

Few monts ago I started this topic also… and I still think this is a legit question…

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