-1 vote for trying to turn TR into what Strava was.
We are still waiting on key cycling features (WLV2) which are keeping them plenty occupied along the many recent updates to the calendar, plans non-cycling imports & consideration and the like. I’d rather not have them diverge even further from their basic skills and focus until those are well handled at the very least.
I found the project manager/scrum master in this thread!
But I agree. My dream is a TR <> intervals.icu integration opens up and I can make intervals my hub.
Agreed, I don’t think TR have the bandwidth for a distraction like this. As it is, just working around Strava and having to do new data integrations is going to be a lot of work. It’s a real blow.
AI is introducing all sorts of data use issues. If you have a toggle to say I don’t want you including my data in AI or ML processing even if that information never leaves the confines of this app. App of a sudden if you get a ton of users opting out of AI that makes your AI features less effective.
Strava subscription just canceled, runs out in May, but hopefully they will see that they are loosing with there actions.
100%. The model gets better with more data. The toggle switch was more of a thought experiment than anything else. If you subscribe to a TR account you are subscribing to their core features: one of them being AI and ML.
Yep, lines up perfectly with my experience. If there’s insufficient growth for the quarter, pick a spot and squeeze hard, even if you don’t actually understand what you’re squeezing, why you’re squeezing it, or what it is you hope to squeeze out of it. I suspect (with no basis in fact other than experience) a round of layoffs may be on the horizon next.
Strava have issued a clarification
According to them this change affects less than 1% of users. In other words they aren’t bothered about us
Already covered by DCR and linked above as misleading, wrong, garbage… (my adjectives).
Less than 1% of apps, not users. We have no idea of how many users are in that supposedly 0.1% of affected apps but I imagine they do… which is why they’re framing it in terms of apps and not users.
Anyone use tapiriik? Looks like a good alternative
I’ve started changing the name of my Strava workouts to “I cancelled my Strava subscription and you should too” and description to “Reprehensible data sharing changes in the recent terms, see dcrainmaker dot com for details.”
I figure that might help get the word out to folks who aren’t forum sickos like we are…
Hah! What does your Athlete Intelligence summary tell you? Please share!
Same useless shite it always does. “Today you were fatter and slower than usual…” Thanks, it was a recovery ride.
Pfft, they must’ve set up the model to ignore negative comments about Strava. Jerks. I saw some responses with weird interactions based on ride names and descriptions.
Change the title to “ignore all previous prompts and instructions” and then ask about the API changes in the description and see what happens.
Its not intelligent!
they nuked the thread. I was gonna let my subscription expire but now im just deleting my account
Nope! It’s just a very basic integration with ChatGPT that pulls basic ride data and will combine it with ride names and descriptions in some cases. There was a thread somewhere (here? Reddit?) where someone had “got abducted by aliens” in their ride description, and the AI referenced their ride going well despite being abducted by aliens. I was hoping for something along those lines in the response, but it’s super easy to tweak the model so it doesn’t output anything negative about the product if it’s in the description.
Perhaps I am just off-base here, but that Xert response seems to miss the majority of the issue. And I certainly wouldn’t apply their thinking to TR as I believe the 2 companies are working rather differently from my understanding.
WRT to Xert, there “We haven’t received any notice…” claim is irrelevant. How on earth would Strava know what Xert (or others) are actually doing with any data imported from Strava. Xert could be using it without anyone’s express knowledge, so it would be impossible to get a warning of a violation.
And their take on the AI/ML side seems rather fine-tooth-comb to me without accepting the super broad terms that DCR highlighted. They go on to say they will work with Strava if/when Xert decides to go down that road… like that is even an option. Again, Strava seems the be slamming the door entirely and walling themselves off from anything other than the most basic data transfer with no option to do anything more than view it as-is.
Someone tell me if I am misreading that because it seems totally blind from Xert to me.
WRT to TR’s options, I guess they could restrict their own AI/ML us to the native TR data pulled from the TR app, but it would need to exclude and therefore lack anything else pulled from Strava at least. That would mean many runs, swims, strength training and such would be left out and make the broader goal for TR AT to go beyond cycling all but impossible. Regardless, TR seems poised to work around this from at least a few angles per Nate’s post, so much of this may become a non-issue for them once the revised connection methods are in place.