Red Light Green Light (RLGL) - Initial Thoughts for Discussion

Yes, that’s pretty logical – and something obvious :slight_smile:

Will be interesting to see how the next AI FTP number comes in; while I was over target the efforts felt too easy and RPE was very low.

Not quite as extreme but when I was off for months due to a stomach op my calendar was full of red but further into the season and with more consistent training more TSS weeks were green (white).

I suspect if I had used TN at the time it would have looked at the initial period differently and suggested I upped things to improve (which I gradually did). The reds were just a ‘knee jerk’ RLGL reaction to the complete lack of training but I actually gradually needed to do some to improve. TN is maybe trying to improve you a bit faster but come back in your own good time and stay healthy :+1:

I’ve started to ignore it

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I think many could benefit from something similar, rather than overthinking/obsessing over it. To my thinking, RLGL is like a little birdie on your shoulder, or whatever other metaphor works.

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I’m new to TR but I did look through my history after turning RLGL on and I found that a lot of the time, red days were suggested, ignored at the time and then I was sick 2 days later. Might be coincidence but I have found, certainly over the last year, that my HR is inflated by around 10-15 when I’m coming into something. Most of the time I’m totally unaware of it, but can see from looking back that this is the case. RPE feels the same, just inflated HR. From what I can see, RLGL picks up on this and suggests a rest day - if I had had this at the time, maybe I wouldn’t have gotten sick where I did.

I also had a kidney infection last year, over 2 months total recovery. I kept trying to ride every other week but each time would be really hard work. HR really high each time and RLGL suggested a rest day after each of these (sometimes 2 or 3 days), even if just 30 mins. I have found it very interesting reflecting back on it and happy to see how it pans out at the moment.

I have also found that in January I ramped up time on the bike a little too quick. I didn’t get red days but had a number of yellow days. So the way I see it, it’s a useful tool but it’s important not to get obsessive over it. It was right to flag these yellow days, but I was comfortable ramping up time quickly so stuck with it and it was fine. In other cases, noticing these yellow days might mean you need to re-evaluate to prevent burn out or decline. Like almost everything, it’s not binary perfection but one of many tools to use together to help you make sensible decisions.

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Yesterday it put me to yellow, indicating I should stick to endurance next day.
I overcomplied by doing a recovery ride today.
Result: It put me for tomorrow in yellow as well:


(I have it in default setting)

How does that make any sense?

Curious what is your 6 week avg TSS? If you go to Calendar and hover over the bar for the last completed week, it will show your 6 week avg TSS
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It seemed a bit sensitive to duration rather than intensity IMO. I’ve had yellow days and went out for a long walk as a recovery and that has triggered yellow for the following day also

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That would be wild.
I just rode my home trails on my eBike with lots of assistance. So majority of that 1:46h was downhill.

Yes. That is what I’ve seen.
Also non bike seems to be heavily weighed as very fatiguing.

No yellow for me since the 18th Feb. Also no sessions beyond 3hr 15.

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Until it can account for different types of workouts (things I record in strava with high aerobic components like rowing, soccer, hockey, nordic skiing) then it’s pretty much just a novelty for me.
I understand that this feature is in the pipes so I’ll reserve final judgement until it’s released. I don’t think I would have released it without that though.

RL/YL responded to my day shifted workout and extra intervals by making tomorrow’s scheduled workout easier. This is what I have wanted from TR since day one - intelligent plans that evaluate the workout I did rather than the workout I was supposed to do.

Thank you, TR!!!

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I think this is down to HR AND time and no power readings. DH on a bike is still relatively high HR but low power, but TR cant see that. Walking isnt “high” HR but its not resting HR either, a walking HR for 2 hours would be akin to Z2 for 2 hours which could trigger a yellow if done on a yellow. So I guess the issue is interpreting non-power activities. (Just spit ballin’).

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I think you are right. Id have to check for certain but my winter bike/ commuter bike which has no PM is triggering RLGL but my summer bike which sees more intense riding but with a PM doesn’t trigger RLGL as much. My walks are Z1 though :wink:

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If you’re assigning TSS to walks I’d imagine you’re outside of the scope of RLGL.

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Yup, I would think best (or least bad) option for things like walking or lifting or just having a job where you’re on your feet a lot would be pulling in data from wearables to pick up steps, all day HR, HRV, sleep, stress, etc.

I find if it’s regular and consistent then it’s no issue - e.g. I lift a couple of times a week, and I walk the dogs for about an hour nearly every day, so my body is used to those activities and the fatigue from them is pretty consistent week to week. But if I stop lifting for a while and then start again then it definitely has more impact on my ability to execute high quality cycling workoits, and equally if I go off and do an unusually long walk of 3-4 hours that’s going to have an impact. My garmin watch seems to pick that impact up quite well through calorie count, HR and Stress and I would assume other wearables do similarly.

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Probably, it can’t really handle much without power currently it appears.

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I’m not sure on its usefulness yet, I just came back from a 1 week camp of dirt riding down south. I marked in TR that those 6 days in a row were “C” level events with a ride time of 3 hours and decent TSS. Each day ended up being between 3.5 and 4.5 hours of varying MTB riding.

It Basically went "Red Light on the second day and my whole week was one big Red Light. It ended up being an 18 hour week outside on the bike. Was I tanked, yup, was it fun, YUP!

Now the following week was all Zone 2 recovery base, perfect, so that part is working.

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I think a key part of your post that you left out is: you say you’ve been using it for a while. Has it been wrong in its suggestions for you?

You’re worried about all of these factors that RLGL doesn’t account for, but does it actually need to account for them? Like if you look out of the window and see that it’s snowing do you need to know all of the meteorological data possible to determine if you should wear a coat or not? Even if you had all of that data, does looking over all of it actually do a better job of helping you make the decision on grabbing a coat, or does it just confuse matters and make it take more time than it’s worth?

Even a human coach couldn’t and wouldn’t take in all of that information and use it all, so by your logic a human coach would be useless.

From what I’ve listened to about the descriptions of RLGL it’s looking over your recent history and making suggestions on what you should consider doing based on your accumulated training stress and probably takes in your past performance as indicators.

There’s more info that it could take in, sure, but knowing the position of every molecule in the universe doesn’t necessarily help you decide if you should take a break after a bunch of cumulative hard work.

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This is pretty normal :slight_smile:

If you are pushing your boundaries multiple days in a row (like at a training camp), you might see yellow/red days pop up on your Calendar.

By looking at your Calendar it makes sense it gave you that many red days. You went into the training camp with quite a load of training already and your days on the dirt were by no means easy :sweat_smile: :muscle:

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