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Drag the brakes a bit and you can make as much resistance downhill as you want within reason (unless it’s rather steep).

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I do that sometimes around sharp curves and such. But braking my way to a constant 200 or so watts in western PA isn’t in the cards. Same for getting there through clothing, tires and position.

If they aren’t out already, I’m betting we see electric bikes that also offer resistance in the semi-near future.

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Second this. Well said. I’m a 61yo rider and appreciate the new features as well. :+1:

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This belongs in the unpopular opinions thread. :rofl:

Downhill is the fun part… granted I am a mountain biker but no way am I giving those up!

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I’m never one to knock new features being added but I’m not immediately seeing much upside for me.

I’ve a Garmin watch (and head unit) plus an Oura Ring. I’m guessing that most of us have at least one of those types of wearables. All of those devices track my activity levels and then track actual measurements from my body to give an indication of my recovery and readiness to train.

Not only will my current devices look at my training load but they are also going to pick up whether I’ve picked up a bug, had a poor nights sleep, etc, etc. Which all seems like more insight than RLGL is going to give me, at least in current form.

So if you aren’t running a Garmin, or an alternative wearable, I can see the gain but I suspect that’s the minority of us. What am I missing?

You’re raising a key question. Between Garmin, Intervals, WHOOP and TR, etc. etc. which one does the best job of guiding your training?

As of this morning, WHOOP gave me a red recovery day, TR gave me a red light, Intervals says I’m in the grey zone, and Garmin told me I’m only maintaining. :man_shrugging:t3:

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Do you tune down your planned workouts or take a rest day based on the information you get from those devices?

I keep going back to this….

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Not really unless I’m monitoring coming back from illness. But life/work at the moment are my main training constraints, over training is aspirational…

So the advantage I’m missing is that adaptive training adapts automatically now? But currently that’s based on training load only?

I find the training readiness to be pretty much spot on (it tracks my Oura fairly closely). I love the way if I have a restful day my readiness adjusts to show that. The training productiveness (if that’s it’s name) I find less useful

I’ve got a yellow day tomorrow, which is one of my two key workouts for the week.

Before RLGL, if I’ve gone a bit too hard at the weekend, I’d just roll my key workout to Tuesday and do an easier endurance ride tomorrow, or take the day off.

But now I get an adaption, which if I accept means I lose the VO2 session completely from my week.

I’m not sure I’m happy about this. Hitting your key workouts each week is a priority and I often move the workouts around to achieve this.

You can (and I did) still swap the workout days whilst you are looking at the adaptations, so you keep the key workout and then accept the adaptations, but it feels a bit messy/clunky and is not the intended outcome of RLGL.

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I may have mis-read this above but I think someone said that if you never get a red day then you’ve planned your training perfectly… But is that right?

If a red day implies that you’re over reaching and should take a rest day then surely if you get a single red day and it falls on a day that you’d already planned to rest, then you’ve actually planned your training well. As long as it’s just one red day and you return to green (white) after that planned rest day then I’d assume that’s absolutely fine?

For example, if you do a big ride every Sunday and always plan a Monday off after it, and every Monday is red, then surely that’s okay as long as you don’t stay red (or yellow) for days on end?

Or if you’re following the usual 4 week blocks of training with every 4th week being a recovery week, surely it would be absolutely expected that the Monday of your recovery week is red? That would mean you’ve been working hard, have over reached for productive training and then when the red hits you’d actually planned a recovery week… Perfect timing!

Does that make sense? Would be great to know from @Nate_Pearson if I’ve understood that correctly. Thanks!

There’s smth wrong with your data. If you had a ride of 1.75h with IF .7, then your TSS cannot be 130. It should be smth like 80 or so.

Constructive idea for consideration? . . . First I love RLGL! This was definitely a needed feature!

However, I wonder If TR would consider “half days” as I don’t believe everything has to revolve around a 24 hour period. ie if someone does a hard enough Sunday morning ride, then potentially all Monday and Tuesday may show up as Red. If resting Monday and Tuesday, the person might not be able to train again until Wednesday Evening (after work). This would become ~3 1/2 days “off”. However, if basing RLGL on 12 hour periods, the person might at least be back in Yellow or potentially even green by Tuesday evening (~55 hours later if they finished the previous hard ride ~ noon on Sunday). Wouldn’t this help a person think of windows to train rather than a more limiting situation that is tied to full 24 hour periods?

Just a humble idea. I am completely ready for 10 replies telling me ~15 different reasons why this would be ridiculous & silly :roll_eyes:

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It was already suggested above. I don’t think you’ll take too much whipping :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Had my first adaptation on RLGL today.

I’ve solely done my MV training plan this week, in Build and after my 1.5hr threshold session on Sunday, it adapted my 2hr 5.4 endurance session to 1hr 3.4 with the day being yellow.

The threshold workout was challenging but I was surprised to see it backing off my Sunday ride.

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I feel the same way, but if we’re not ready for more stimulation, we’re not going to get (all) the planned adaptation if we do the workout.

At least, that’s the logic as I understand it.

I’ve just done as you’ve said and shifted a threshold workout to tomorrow expecting it to stay green. Unfortunately merely a thirty minute easy run has turned Monday yellow it seems. Admittedly my legs are aching…

I’m not sure whether I’m better off forging ahead with planned workouts or adhering to RLGL. I think it will take a month or two to see proof of value, like more consistent training or higher ftp.

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I declined my RLGL suggested adaptation for today. It wanted to reduce today’s 3.5 hour endurance ride to something like a 1.5 hours. This is because I did 3.5 hours of endurance the day before. I declined, as I will always do for RLGL trying to lower my endurance durations.

I just completed the 3.5 hour endurance ride I had planned at .71 IF. I feel great (as I knew I would) and now RLGL is showing a yellow for tomorrow. Tomorrow is my off day anyway. So all good.

Anyone wanting to get their CTL up should think about whether they want to accept RLGL adaptations reducing your endurance rides. That is, unless you’ve got a major intensity workout the next day.

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Interesting to know that if RLGL has you on a yellow day it will still suggest an adaptation even if the scheduled workout is endurance.

I wonder how it determines how long the workout should be?

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I’ve been doing these Sat and Sun 3.5 hour endurance rides for 4 weeks now with no issues whatsoever, and most of them rated “easy.” But apparently RLGL thinks I still can’t handle them?

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