Progression Levels now in Strava Images

Ooooh, no. No no no. No.

:joy: Imagining all these amateurs making moves in their local races based on a few progression level screenshots they’ve seen on Strava :exploding_head:

The TR approach is uniqueā€¦ā€œlet’s tailor our product to the goals and abilities of each clientā€. Whether you like the update or not, whether you think showing PLs is relevant or not, the approach taken by TR here is not consistent with their philosophy. On the podcast, they consistent say that their mission is ā€œto make people fasterā€. Tough to see how that was the goal of this update. This should have been rolled out as an update that allowed people to choose how their workouts are displayed. Personally, I am not a fan of this change.

But they are a business. It makes us faster if they get more money.
It does feel like it isnt what they would normally do though.

folks, sometimes stuff doesn’t have to make you faster, sometimes it’s ok to have something fun to generate discussion with your friends. if you have a problem with privacy, you can do as I do and set all your rides to default to private. I don’t share all my TR rides, people don’t need to see every time I do Pettit. Maybe a friend sees your progress and is interested in giving TR a try, that isn’t a bad thing

again, a lot of you all are taking crap way too seriously

THIS. :point_up_2:

We’re not shareholders. We’re users. It’s great the forum is a place to chat about things and have discussion but ultimately TR is a business and needs to update/change to survive in an increasingly crowded space.

If people hate being billboards that much start wearing kit with no sponsors and kit that has no labels with the manufacturing companies on it. Because I’m sure many outspoken people here have a Castelli or Rapha logo somewhere on their body when riding outside….

It’s just a picture with numbers and I guarantee all the non TR people don’t know what it means and say ā€œthat looks different than a zwift mapā€ and move on with their day.

And anyone racing that basis tactics on TR PLs of a competitor is insane. Especially because I can guarantee those TR athletes are training outside too……

It would also be great to have an option to not show heart rate on the image. I’m guessing a lot of people who hide heart rate during their workout also don’t want it on the Strava image. Love all the work everyone at TR does!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, either stop doing this share or PLs to Strava, or allow me to switch it off. I do NOT want to share that much detail with even the carefully chosen few who I allow to follow me.

Some of use are not mad sharers! I now have a policy of going into Strava and deleting that picture.

Because I choose to. With this feature I have no choice. Forcing me not to link to Stava is taking away my choices. It’s a fundamental principle of data privacy. My data, my choice how it is used.

From an ethical perspective there can be no benefit to me by sharing this data. The only benefit is a commercial one for TR (my friends seeing it and becoming interested in signing up to TR)

So TR decide to share my data without my consent purely for their benefit.

TBF I give TR 10/10 for the way they have responded to the issue with an option not to share.

As I noted earlier, people have been using social media feeds and data for years when evaluating their competitors. They visit Athlinks, USA cycling or USAT, etc to look for results / progression. They also go into Strava feeds and look at actual data that is there.

This isn’t a new phenomenon nor something that people would suddenly start doing based on PL’s getting posted.

Right?! And that’s exactly what’ll happen. Hey, I’m one of the stronger C racers in my local club. I don’t want some of the stronger women knowing what I’m doing :rofl:

Not quite. When I buy a kit I know what labels are there. The corollary to your example would that I buy a kit without any labels on it. A week later after a few washes logos suddenly appear and now I can’t wear the kit without the labels being visible. Hope you like them!

I don’t know how anyone on the development team could possibly think this was a good idea. Now I have to go and delete the image from Strava after each workout

You can turn your of these extra graphics from within Strava easily…

https://www.strava.com/settings/partner_integrations

Strava obviously have not been great at explaining this.

I agree. IMO, showing all levels is info overload, especially in the small size that most people will be viewing it, likely their phone.

Limiting it to that workout’s targeted levels would give more room to make them larger and more legible. A side benefit would be that it’d serve as a label for the type of workout completed, something people not familiar with TR’s workouts may appreciate.

ā€œHmm…what type of workout did Nate do today?ā€ :thinking:

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My workout from Saturday doesn’t show any picture. Some of you might be happy with that. I would prefer to see the pic.

This argument has come up multiple times. Implementing a training strategy to specifically exploit the weaknesses of your rivals based on their own training is an advanced tactic that I sincerely doubt is happening in the vast majority of amateur racing tiers.

Yes, having progression levels would make such a thing easier, but anyone that knows how to exploit that would also have been able to identify the primary training benefit of workouts in the old graph. Really, how hard do you all think it is to spot an endurance vs sweet spot vs VO2 workout? It’s night and day just looking at the old pictures.

Which leads to… if you really care that much then why would you share your workouts with your rivals in the first place?

To be clear, I do think amateur racers consider the strengths and weaknesses of their rivals in their approaches, but I think that is overwhelmingly based on past and current performance in racing, not by analyzing each others workouts. Secrets are quickly laid bare in the first race or two of a series.

I like it :slight_smile:

In late with a hot take: it’s fine.

I’m glad the folks at TR are going to give us some control over what gets posted.

This is the reason I specifically use a heart rate strap that only supports one connection. I connect it to my Wahoo BOLT and that’s the workout file I’ll save locally as the ā€œone version of the truthā€. So that way TrainerRoad records the workout without HR and that’s the one that I upload to Strava. Thus my workout images don’t show HR.

While I don’t have a big privacy concern about people seeing my HR, I do think it clutters up the chart. I just want my followers to see (relative) watts! :laughing: