I just completed the workout Baissey. It’s listed with a Tempo PL of 5.7
on my calendar, it’s showing it as a Tempo PL of 4.9.
doesn’t make sense.
Did you stop at all for a short break?
no. not at all. in addition, I reported the workout as moderate.
Just found this on the desktop. I’m sure it has something to do with the update, but still doesn’t make sense
For some reason the Ai thinks that your performance doesn’t warrant full WL credit. As long as TR doesn’t give details as to why, it’s hard to say anything more about it.
Although, in the end I don’t think it matters if you’re not suddenly getting tempo workouts that are too easy.
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Yeah so for some reason you have only scored 4.9/5.7 in tempo for that workout - does seem a little unfair on you if you are sure you didn’t take any breaks?
It really doesn’t matter in the slightest though - it won’t effect future workouts - it’s just a visual aid.
If I were to guess why it got adjusted I guess that some of those intervals are bang on the tempo/endurance transition point so that the natural variation in power output has meant that some of it isn’t quite in the zone?
But I can see why you would be disappointed - it looks like you nailed the workout to me.
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oh yeah, I nailed the workout. no doubt about that. you can even see dips in heart rate during the lower power output portions. this is a sustained power workout, with dips in heartrate…and absolutely no cardiac drift. absolutely no breaks…one can see that with the cadence.
From my standpoint, there is no hit to my ego. doesn’t matter to me.
having said that, if PL’s are meant to show what work has been done in the past…this is incredibly inaccurate. I think I’ll inquire with the TR team.
I’m reaching out to the TR team. as far as my ego is concerned, it doesn’t really matter to me. I was just trying to determine if there is an aspect of the latest update that would explain this discrepancy.
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ERG mode. been using ERG mode since 2017 with trainerroad, and have never experienced this.
In addition, workout analysis shows all “intervals” in workout are at prescribed power numbers. as a matter of fact, some are over the prescribed power numbers.
so I don’t think thats the answer.
I’m sorry, but your theory just doesn’t hold water, respectfully.
If you are correct, then why .9 less PL??
seems excessive for some minor variations.
again, after well over 1000 sessions on TR, I have never seen this. I’m using a Tacx Neo smart trainer. its not from Tijuana.
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You couldn’t see it before because partial credit is new.
Is really the least important thing in the new system to get worried about though since the levels only now exist for you to select a workout manually and the system doesn’t use it for chosing workouts.
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Because they are not accurate, so they abandoned them as far as they could. This is why the new system can show a workout with a lower pl as being rated harder than one with a higher. The new system looks at the workout more closely when comparing to what you can do and have done.
I do have a ticket with the TR team to find out whats going on.
if what you say is correct, and I have no reason to not believe you…
if I keep manually choosing higher PL workouts, and it doesn’t give me credit for them…then eventually my career PL will decline, and ultimately, when it comes time to manually choose a workout, I’m choosing based on bad information.
I will add…this year (for the first time), I am choosing more workouts manually, and not following my plan with precision. this is because my fitness focus is running/training for a marathon.
I know…bad time to do this, since TR just had a major update/change.
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Just put them on as tr ai selected vs actually adding them manually and it should make sure you’re getting appropriate workouts.
That is all I did for the first time not doing an actual plan.
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being on the border of levels shouldn’t be an issue. The workout states it has a PL of “xyz”…workout (designed by TR) is completed as prescribed…why would the PL change to “abc”??
I’m not argueing with you, I simply question this, and believe it’s either a bug with the update, or completely negates the importance and usefulness of progression levels.
Marquette marathon in Marquette Michigan. wanted to do it last year, but I think trying to build bike fitness AND marathon train was asking too much of my body…blew up last spring with a calf strain. was able to do half marathon distance last summer, but not ready for a full.
this year, going in with a new plan. ease up on bike intensity, and be certain to do my strength training.
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According to this there should be 6 longer tempo sections in Baissey…. it looks as though some of the low ones could have registered as endurance for you on your completed workout?
Really does not matter in the grand scheme of things though.
I don’t understand where you come up with 6 longer tempo sections. the workout is not designed that way. it has three sections at 81%,82%, and 82%. . these are tagged as Tempo. there are three sections of 75%,76%, and 75%. these are tagged as endurance. there are two 70% sections.
this is the design of the workout by trainer road…not me. I did not alter the workout. I just completed it.
In the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t matter. true. However, now I have to mentally remember that I’ve completed a 5.7 tempo workout when I manually choose another tempo session…and I want it to be a higher PL than my last effort.
I don’t want to get into an arguement about how this isn’t the correct use of TR…I just want to illustrate the importance of accuracy. there is no reason that a 5.7 PL should be adjusted to a 4.9 unless the rider blew up, and couldn’t complete it, or adjusted down the intensity 5 or more percent.
TR hasn’t been able to respond to my request for an explanation, yet. we shall see.
After reading about the new update, I have not yet found anything that says partial credit for a workout may be given.
partial credit for different zones…perhaps (like if you do a long tempo workout, you might get partial credit for an endurance ride)
Maybe I have missed it, or it was discussed on the podcast.
Exactly why I now set all workouts to 102%