That would certainly make the top 10 ![]()
Personally, I do 2hr at 65% of FTP
That’s likely though you will still be far away from POL. At least how it was formulated by Seiler. Too much Z2 and Z3. Based on the workout count in your screenshot you would have to do 1 session in zone 3 and 4 sessions in zone 1…
As per your screenshot it looks like 33% in zone 3, 50% in zone 1 and 17% in zone 2 (group ride)…
Is it really still pol? It looks like way too much Z2 for that.
Seiler uses a 3 zone model not a five zone model like trainer road. Trainer roads zone 2 fits into zone 1. By my count, in week 2, he has about 40 minutes of z3 and over seven hours of zone 1, which would be 86/14.
I know about the different zones. However, it’s not calculated by time in zone but rather by workouts.
Forgive me I could have made myself more clear. I was referring to that part of your previous comment.
I went through SweetSpot Base 1 in HV and then Base 2 & Build 1 in MV and I think my base is decent so I started my Polarized training to better pair with outdoor riding, when it starts for me.
I use intervals.icu to help track.
4 weeks on, then 1 week rest (Z1 & Z2), then Ramp. Planned for 12 weeks (3x blocks). Each week will have a progressively higher TSS and increased number of minutes in VO2+ to stay in the 80/20 to 85/15 ratio.
Depending on fitness, I will space out the workouts or have 2x workouts on back to back days for added intensity.
Each week I will have 1 x anaerobic with many high peaks but short duration and 2x VO2s with varying intensities to match the time periods of the peaks which are between 5 & 8 minutes.
I try to keep the Zones 1 & 2 days between 40 to 65% load.
The longer the block, the lower the intensity and the longer the rest period. The total peaks together should drain you for the workout.
It is good to have a 3+ hour rides each week but I will only do that once I start riding outdoors. I cannot imagine 3 hours on my Kickr.
The last day before rest week I will do Lamarck & during the rest week, I will do Angora, both to help me prepare for the Ramp.
I will repeat this until next indoor season and then it will be back to SweetSpot Base.
I guess that depends on whether you subscribe to seilers workouts or time in zone. I did a vo2 max workout this morning for my first ride of the week and intervals.icu has classified my week as polarized based on time in zone. perhaps this is just another nuance for everyone to argue over.
@russell.r.sage I don’t want to argue about nuances. Though as far as I remember Seiler it was about sessions.
Guess that would make a significant difference. 20% in zone 3 could be one out of five workouts. 20% of a 10 hours week would be two hours in zone 3. Assuming 30 min per workout it would result in 4 workouts per week. So pretty much a zone 3 session every other day.
I did read about this once where for example you do an anaerobic session that is 1 hour long with 20 minutes in high intensity, you cannot really count the rest periods as Z1 or Z2 because your body is not really shifting so easily from one zone to another… or something like that…
I am not sure whether to count TiZ or by session so I do 3x high intensity and pretty much just simple rides on the rest of the days… I figure as long as my TSS is increasing for the 4 week period, I guess I’ll be ok.
I replied to your answer to my post. The one I quoted above. ![]()
Perhaps I am wrong but I thought Seiler described it exactly that way. Having 15% zone two seem to be contradicting that. Though ultimately semantics.
Has anybody here done a polarized plan for longer than 6+ months? Did you stagnate?
Yes and no to your points.
If I recall correctly your plan was 2xZ3, 1xZ2, 3xZ1 which equals 50% Z1, 17% Z2, and 33% Z3. So yeah, pushing the limits seems to be a good description. ![]()
Not sure you have realized it yet but if you take short power build low volume and add three Z1 rides you will end up with your plan. Perhaps useful for the progression. ![]()
Meant that one. Haven’t read the whole post (series) yet. ![]()
Just curious, what is your heart rate response to the different interval lengths? I’m thinking of something like 30/15s or 30/30s vs 2.5-3min vs 5-8min.
I’ve been trying to find more information on VO2 kenitics and see if that confirms what I think the interval length is that is more ‘ideal’ for me. Personally, 30/15s or 30/30s at max aerobic power don’t get my HR up and my legs feel blasted and I am breathing a little hard. 2.5-3min at 95-97% of MAP my HR is above the 95% max HR for 60-90sec and I am breathing hard but it destroys my legs. With 5-9min at 106% of FTP or a little higher my HR is above 95% max HR for multiple minutes per interval and I am breathing hard but legs don’t feel like they were hit with 2x4s. For that reason I’ve been leaning towards focusing on the longer supra-threshold intervals for my next block of VO2max work.
(I’m 42. classic TT’er power profile and FTP is currently estimated 83.75% of MAP)
I’m 42 as well.
I cant really comment on HR as I dont measure it…but I can tell you that in terms of breathing…the 3 min efforts at 120% are the most challenging, followed by the longer 6-8 minute stuff at 108%. Legs just hurt during all of it…but the long 108% ones are probably a bit tougher on my legs.
The short shorts are just less challenging all the way around…but definitely feel them more in my legs than breathing.
