@Nate_Pearson I want to be clear…“Inebriation with Ivy” needs to happen! ![]()
I don’t care about data… I am excited that you will be selling us post ride beer and liquor now.
You are certainly a bit too loose in discussing things like clearance levels on here…
Saying “I have a TS” is certainly not against any sort of regulatory guidance at all in the US. I think in Australia is may be illegal in some aspects to even mention your clearance. But in the US? Nope, you can tell people the level of clearance and even dates of your investigation and whether you’ve had a polygraph (the only place I’d do that would be on a resume…I’m not that crazy).
I have a TS. Nothing wrong with that. Plus, I’m probably lying.
Meanwhile TR has your birthdate, PHI, credit card numbers, years of personal data and “shares” it with partners across multiple platforms. But sure, yeah the fat old guy on the forum is skirting the lines of privacy, lol.
This thread is all over the map and I love it
This thread is like Beers With Chad. Starts out serious and quickly devolved into a hot mess that is also a ton of fun
the fat old guy on the forum
How fat and how old? Some of us need new friends with similar interests and endurance levels. ![]()
Cool! I assume it will be offered through Early Access first?
I cannot rate privacy badger highly enough. Additionally, you can use little snitch it you want even finer grained details about your connections.
I know it doesn’t directly answer the question/concern by OP but this is a common problem in web 2.0.
Safari does this as well. Although, most people probably don’t know exactly what this means or assume incorrectly what exactly is being done. See: Safari Cross-Site Tracking
If you aren’t already, you should be running Adblock+ or similar in all of your browsers plus something like Privacy Pro or 1Blocker on your IOS devices to block trackers like this.
This, if security/being tracked is important to you, the first place to start is with yourself and trying to stop them getting onto your machine
This thread is chaos and i love it.
Ultimately you can’t prevent being tracked on the web only make it harder so generally you just need to make it hard enough that those doing the tracking won’t bother. I maintain a club website, every visit/request is logged by the server. That’s not me doing it, it’s the server software (there was a proposed piece of UK legislation that would mandate site owners to hold such data for X months/years but can’t remember if it was passed and is in force), so it’s possible to trace someone’s activity on the site. In ten years I’ve only had to do it once as without specialist tools it’s needle in a field of haystacks time.
Easy hit: turn on “block third party cookies” and “do not track” in your browser. That’s going to cut out the easy ones and the ones that follow the guidelines.
Medium: install browser add-ons such as Ghostery and ublock. I have one entitled “Disconnect FB pixel and FB tracking” Hmm, I wonder what that one does?
You do need to take care that the add-ons/extensions don’t clash, it’s rare but can happen.
Use a private/incognito tab in your browser.
Harder: change your browser to something like Brave or Tor.
if you’re using a service that is going to read and analyze you submitted data
As was already explained above, this is not at all what the complaint is about.
I’m okay with TR and Nate’s team having all my cycling details. I’m not OK with Facebook having details of every thread I read on here, how much time I spend in it, and which posts I reply to, when and how long I work out, and selling that on to other third parties. Is that so hard to understand for you? It’s very different data.
Facebook has been our only (slightly) profitable ad platform.
…We don’t get money from it
Ahem ![]()
Facebook is a profitable ad platform because their ads are very targeted. The ads are effective because they know insanely much about their users, way, waaaay more than people realize and would be comfortable with if they fully understood what was going on.
You’re making money from those ads because Facebook is good at profiling your users by gathering data about them and then targeting them. There’s no need to sugar coat it, it’s how most of the (profitable) side of the web works.
I too use Firefox + Enhanced Tracking Protection + uBlock Origin, and so on, but I am also dissatisfied at having to do so (with some risk of strange breakage every now and then because a random feature doesn’t work if a tracker doesn’t get loaded etc) just so a service I already pay for … can make extra some extra bucks with ads. Sigh!
You seem to misunderstand what he’s saying. TR is not making money off user data as a product. The ads running on Facebook are to attract new users, for which TR pays a fee for every ad shown to Facebook users. Part of that is not showing and paying for ads to existing TR users.
Further, a bit misconception alluded to in other posts is that to be fully private with no cookies or third party data sharing, the internet would be crap. Sites wouldn’t save data, you’d have to login to everything with every visit, some folks like logging in with social accounts, etc. There’s no basement nerd staring at your Facebook likes list, cookies, etc and “getting to know you”. No one is looking at peoples individual data, no one knows anything about you… no one cares. It’s all machine-processed, machine filtered, and handled by algorithms.
IMO the privacy obsession can go too far, for misunderstood reasons.
Something I forgot when writing my previous post.
Nate has stated on the podcast that TR follow the EU GDPR for all users, partly as it’s easier to just apply one set of rules to everyone and also because that’s currently the gold standard in terms of user data protection. So those of you in the US get the benefits of legislation protecting how your personal data is handled without actually being subject to it. I believe some states are considering something similar but it’s likely to be on a state rather than federal level.
You seem to misunderstand what he’s saying. TR is not making money off user data as a product. The ads running on Facebook are to attract new users, for which TR pays a fee for every ad shown to Facebook users. Part of that is not showing and paying for ads to existing TR users.
That’s fine. But just visiting the forum (as a logged in, paid user) does end up sending tracking information to Facebook. I don’t see them in the web app (as the original complaint reported), so that’s at least something. Didn’t check the mobile apps.
Sites wouldn’t save data, you’d have to login to everything with every visit
All of this works fine without trackers, as anyone that blocks them can attest ![]()
There’s no basement nerd staring at your Facebook likes list, cookies, etc and “getting to know you”. No one is looking at peoples individual data, no one knows anything about you… no one cares. It’s all machine-processed, machine filtered, and handled by algorithms.
As if automatically generating that stuff can’t lead to bad outcomes, jeez. Generate me a list of all the women in certain parts of the USA that have shown an interest in…recently outlawed procedures. But we’re veering pretty far off topic here. Once the data is out there, good luck pulling it back.
We still have the ultimate choice in privacy if we so choose it…unplug.
EVERYTHING.
That’s like putting the Genie back in the bottle.
Our data is out there and it isn’t coming back anytime soon. Some will argue that this was done prior to the wave of privacy concerns so I can fully understand and appreciate some people’s beef with this.
Nate has stated on the podcast that TR follow the EU GDPR for all users
This probably works correctly for the main trainerroad.com site (it asks for cookie consent) and doesn’t connect to Facebook by default, but TrainerRoad - Cycling & Training Forum does not work like this.
