New Wahoo Elemnt Bolt and Roam V3 Plus New Radar

I’m in the same boat as many here. My Wahoo Roam V1 died a few weeks ago and I’ve been waiting on the Roam 3. I went to the local REI to check availability and as it was not yet in stock I purchased a Garmin Edge 1050, figuring that I could use REI’s generous return policy to try the 1050. This would be my 6th Garmin product as I have been a user of the Edge 500, Edge 810, and eTrex 30 before I switched to the Wahoo Roam, as well as the Varia RTL510 and Varia RTL515 radars.

The Edge 1050 is certainly a strange product. Yes, the fundamentals of the screen and battery life and the addition of the electronic bell are great. That said, here are the issues:

Road hazard warning - This new Waze-like feature seems silly for bike riding. It busily dinged away announcing potholes galore, which was no help at all as I had no idea whether the reported pothole was a routine bump or a wheel eating ditch. The animal alert was even more confusing as I it might be telling me about a vicious dog who resides in the neighborhood or a perhaps alerting me that a squirrel had crossed the road three days ago. No idea which as I saw neither dogs nor squirrels.

Radar defaults - I connected it to my Varia radar and the default audio alert clangs like crazy when a vehicle is about to pass. Moreover, unlike Wahoo, it put the detected vehicles on the right side of the display, which makes sense for the UK, Australia, and Japan but is counter intuitive for the US and Europe.

With all the clanging and dinging, my riding buddy said that I sounded like a pachinko parlor.

Mapping - The rerouting is aggressive and had me making u-turns in various known situations. This is true of all of the auto-routing that I have used regardless of manufacturer, as it’s difficult to discern the user’s intent. This is an area that is ripe for improvement as it should be possible to take different actions on rerouting depending on whether the user is following a loop, a point to point route, or no route and simply relying on the routing to navigate to a destination.

When I got home I spent an hour changing various defaults - radar alerts, disable road hazard warnings, disable auto-rerouting, disable sharp bend warnings, disable nutrition tracking, etc.

What kind of product requires you to watch YouTube videos - thanks GPLama - to verify your sanity in wanting to disable large parts of the product, including touted new features. Don’t they know that the majority of users do not change defaults, which has been the subject of several highly publicized anti-trust actions.

Meanwhile, you are still required to use the touch swipe gesture to change pages, which is an essential activity. For me this was not reliable, even with bare fingers in dry conditions, and often required a second or sometimes a third attempt. I wonder how well it works with gloves or when wet from rain or sweat. Unfortunately, one of the few items that you apparently can not customize are the hardware buttons, as one of them (lap button) would be ideal to use as a next page button.

While I was beavering away at disabling features, several maps reported that updates were available so I decided to go ahead and update them. I chose the North America Cycle Map for update and the first step was deleting it. However. there was no replacement Cycle Map available. Panic! And no help was available from within the product. Fortunately, a web search revealed that the former Cycle Map has been replaced by the TopoActive map and I should use that instead. Whew, but too bad the product had not told me that before I thought that I had bricked the device.

Now I am having difficulty connecting my Assioma Favero power meter pedals. They connect but I loose the connection after a few minutes of pedaling. I can’t reestablish the connection, either by retrying or by deleting the device, unless I use the magnetic charger which apparently resets the installation process. Unfortunately, this is difficult to debug as the connection setup identifies the various devices by obscure codes rather than by user intelligible names such as model name (as Wahoo does). It’s not easy to tell which connection is my Assioma, my Garmin Rally pedals, or perhaps my Assioma Ant+ vs Bluetooth connection.

Some reviews state that the complexity of usage of this device is due to the richness of features. This product seems to have very nice hardware but is hindered by appallingly poor design choices. I am left wondering if the Hammerhead Karoo 3 might provide me with a nice display, hardware button control over key actions, and reasonable design, or whether to try the Roam 3. Or perhaps I should retain the Garmin and live with the lack of buttons and view my time configuring it as sunk cost.

In the meantime does anyone know how to reliably connect the Assioma pedals?

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Wow! I’m so sorry you had such a bad experience. I’ve had almost the opposite, so wanted to share another point of view.

I don’t find the road hazards valuable when I’m on a solo ride on known roads, but they’re great when you’re somewhere you’re not familiar with and bombing downhill or in traffic where you can’t see far ahead of you. They’re also great for group rides when you’re not on the front and can’t see.

I do have a local spot where someone seems determined to report an animal that I’ve never seen one even though I’ve ridden past the spot dozens of times. Usually these warnings go away when people mark that they’re not there, so there has to be someone marking it intentionally over and over again. It’s definitely annoying and reminds me of the people who feel the need to mark “road construction” on Waze every single day for the neighborhood road that’s had a cone sitting in the same spot off the road for 6 months.

This is a simple change and I like that there are multiple options. I have mine where it does one ding, but I’ve seen other posts where people say they need the longer patterns because they don’t hear the single note. I think this is a place where options are a good thing.

I also like this very much. I’ve had Wahoo units that refused to reroute even though I was clearly lost and couldn’t get back on the path. I once finally gave up and restarted the unit only to find that it had lost my route and would not restart it with me in the middle. I had to pull my phone out and follow Waze to get back to my car. I’m thankful for fast and aggressive rerouting.

Another area where I’ve never had an issue, bare fingers, rain, full fingered gloves, swiping and clicking always works easily.

Again, I’m sorry these things were bad for you and I am not trying to diminish your bad experience, just sharing an alternate experience and point of view.

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Yeah, this is much more my experience after picking up a 1050 a few weeks ago. I have a 1040 I’m generally happy with, but wanted to pick up a head unit from this generation because of the massive increase in readability, so it was 1050, Karoo 3, or Roam 3. I had a Karoo 2 (used for a season and sold it) and still had some concerns about the battery life, so ruled that one out.

Then I waited to see what the new Roam v3 looked like, but given all the talk on Reddit and elsewhere about how unstable the Ace was (spontaneous reboots, issues with live tracking, etc.), combined with the surprisingly bad screen reviews, it was easy to avoid.

That said, I’ve been super happy with the 1050, despite being extremely wary of Garmin’s AI cash grab Connect+. The screen is wonderful - I have bad eyes, and I never have any trouble at all reading it, which means less time spent squinting at the head unit and more time looking at the road.

The road hazards can be annoying, but it just means I pay a bit more attention when I see one.

The bell’s nice, some of the new graphical data fields are handy, and the whole things just works without a hitch. I was a little annoyed that the radar shows up on the right hand side by default, but it took all of 15 seconds to switch it to the left side when I hit a smoother section of road so I barely had to slow down.

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Your post made me remember…I’ve had mine since they first came out and haven’t had any issues, but I did have a ride a week or 2 ago where it froze up on me and I had to hard reboot it. The good thing was it remembered where I was in my workout. The bad thing was that I did a few extra minutes of hard interval before I noticed! Maybe it’s a secret strategy to pump up my ftp!

6 hour gravel ride on the Roam 3. Conditions were cloudy with intermittent light rain. Settings were “Auto Max” and I had 77% power remaining after the ride using navigation and radar the entire time. Which is much better battery life than “Always On” max brightness.

I’m now sold on the Roam 3 coming from v2. Nice improvements but I have a couple complaints. I still wish it were brighter and crisper, maybe because I’m old and my eyes aren’t so great anymore. Secondly, not being able to use the bell :bell: on the map screen. This is dumb and hopefully can be fixed with a firmware update. I use the map 90% of the time and needing to swap to another page just to use the bell makes it much less convenient.

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I also hope wahoo increases the volume of the bell (or makes the volume user-adjustable). I’ve found the default volume isn’t particularly effective above 25-30km/h to alert nearby cyclists, even when ringing the bell multiple times in quick succession..

The bell works on every screen for me.
You just have to tap once on the bottom of the screen, where the “pause” label is.

The mounting mechanism seems a little bigger (where it sticks further away from the saddle)

A lot of cyclists use the aftermarket “bowtie mount” with the Varia; it mounts on the saddle rails. It tidies up the seat post, from those stretch cords, but the Varia power button may get blocked by the bottom of the saddle - - minor inconvenience. Some adjustments or extenders are all that is needed.
Looks like the Wahoo Trackr also has the power button on top, but the design commits you to mounting it on the seatpost. I haven’t seen one in the wild, so I don’t know if the Trackr unit can be separated from the mount, for use with alternative mounts.

Quick question: How big are the data fields on the map screen when you compare v2 and v3, any changes?

Nice. Can you have 6 data fields as well? That’d be great.

Yes, you can have up to 6 data fields on the map screen.

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So how does the new roam replace the indicator LEDs? I really think I will miss them for workouts. I am really hoping they have implemented a virtual version of them at the top of the screen. Could someone with the roam v3 post a pic of a TR outside workout?

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On the map screen there are digital lighting indicating a turn direction at the top. Also when using radar on the side. I haven’t performed an outside workout yet so I can’t comment on that, however I never used the lights on v2 anyway.

There’s a field that shows at the top by default of the screen with an 1s power indicator (which power could be too low, on target, or too high. I wish the power could be modified to an avg over time but I dont think that’s any different than the v2 LEDs.

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Better than nothing. I only use the LEDs for outdoor workouts and getting my power dialed in. I think they work well for that.

I wish they would just emulate the LEDs at the very top of the screen instead. Definitely wish they would have kept them.

My 1050 experience matches others here: fantastic hardware, some dubious software choices with way too much going on by default. Spending a hour turning off all the notifications and adding some custom screens makes it a pretty great unit, though. I personally love the MyGahoo ConnectIQ app, which gives a Wahoo-like data field. I also love that you can have the map as a data field, that provides some really nice options. I run SRAM AXS blips, and have them set up to advance pages and ring the bell (when pressing both). That’s been a really handy setup for me, I almost never take hands off the bars.

The Karoo is quite nice, but at least when I last used it I found it to have some annoying data field layout choices (e.g. when drawer pops up it blocks a bunch of other info, no way to have map, climb and HR/power data displayed together.) But perhaps some of the 3rd party apps have addressed this? No bell and limited battery are also liabilities for the Karoo.

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I think you nailed it - great hardware, and poor software (at least at times).
Given how amazing the screen is, I hate the map and navigating - I find the colours really blur into each other. When I am following a route I dont need lots of detail around the Map - I just want to follow a line, easily at 30 kmh…
My Wahoo V2 is best at this
But when I turn it on it can take 5 mins to get a GPS lock, which is a joke

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Here’s a better one actually outside. I’m sure the car thought I was an idiot :slight_smile: As an aside, slight overcast and the screen looked great.

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When there isn’t a car coming by, does the top bar color correspond with your power relative to the prescribed power?

Great question; I don’t believe so. I will check next time I get out.