Responses to my comments indicate I have been interpreted as implying these thing and being a complainer, yet my comments were intended to convey aspects way more nuanced than your summary provides. The same is true of many posts that I have read that weren’t completely happy.
This is not a binary debate. There is middle ground for the plans were good or the plans were bad.
The plans needed updates. The implemented updates had some holes that negated improvements for a subset of users.
I think this is your challenge.
You can work around the changes by manually changing up a workout to one similar to the level you had before.
But TR is slowly disassociating itself from TSS and FTP as the prime guide for training, and that means we will soon no longer be able to be meaningful when we say “I want x weekly TSS” at various stages of our training.
I see their reasoning, and I’m optimistic we will see more effective training at lower TSS…but it is a challenge to a tried and tested method some of us have come to rely on.
Same as you…build is too much for me as I get older. Needs a different iteration of work.
Spoiler: those in the know stopped making decisions based on TSS awhile ago.
Yep sorry my comment is solely about HV, which as you know is just…sweet-spot. ha.
I do really like the progression, in terms of it’s clear what each workout is targeting each week, and you can see the following week building on that e.g. Mondays are shorter intervals, Wednesdays are longer intervals, Saturdays are easier but much longer intervals and Sundays are long tempo.
This is oppose to the ‘legacy’ plans which seems more of a “throw every SST at the wall and see what happens” … I’m basing that off memory now given the old stuff is gone.
With each respective day the next week being just a little bit harder, it makes it super easy to tweak the plan to make it more difficult to suit but keep it dead-centre in-line for what the goals are. If that makes sense? Like I’m not just going through workouts looking for some random SST one to put in with higher TSS, there’s clear structure for the workout so can be very specific for one to replace. So I don’t mind now, just takes time to make the modifications to the plan.
I also like the fact there are clear rest days between work days (weekend excluded).
True, but as a broad guide it is still - imo - a useful measure when you look at monthly or annual training. For power-based cycling, I suppose kilojoules could fulfil the same function?
That’s a decent idea - tracking KJ for volume.
What are the decay rates for the different zones? I assume endurance decays the slowest and VO2Max is the fastest? Knowing the rates (even roughly) could help us make plan changes when life happens.
I feel like the endurace rides TrainNow is recommending on my easy days are too hard.
Maybe a product idea…
Give TrainNow a taking it easy button that reduces the levels of the workouts.
Have you tried using the recovery filter when searching for a workout?
It’s not that I can’t find easier workouts. My point was TrainNow doesn’t really work for identifying easy day workouts.
Near tempo Endurance ride <> good setup for hard day tomorrow’s.
Just my opinion and decaying body 
Well, the category is titled “Endurance” and those workouts seem appropriate with that in mind. If you are actually looking for “Recovery” level easy workouts, those doesn’t seem to be a direct option in TrainNow.
@Nate_Pearson this. Even better would be to tag the workouts by interval duration buckets (1 min or less, 1.5 to 3 min, etc) so we can tick a box in search for the right interval length.
Great feedback for TR on standardizing naming conventions👍
SSB LV II - Week 3 - liner notes talk a few times about doing Sprint Bursts, but there are none
They mentioned in last weeks podcast, that they know all the Weekly notes are out of date with all the new plan changes. It is made even worse when you recognize the dynamic nature that will exist when AT is fully released and in use.
They will be removing the notes in the near term, because they are incorrect. They also seemed to hint at some form of solution that might be used in the future. That’s what I know about them at this point.
Recovery week I was beset with an upset stomach Tuesday=>Friday. So I didn’t train until Saturday. Someone wanted to do a group ride on Sunday, CloudRipper, I thought “why not?” I did Truuli as an opener on Saturday, felt hard, then I had to turn CloudRipper down a bit to survive. So of course with ramp test on Tuesday, CloudRipper “only” a 4.0 threshold ride, I’m thinking FTP drop.
Bzzzt, wrong, +5W. PR on the ramp test yet again.
I’ve been struggling with threshold workouts since the 300k, and I don’t expect adding 5W will help, so I will be turning down the level of my threshold work a little for the next block. So McAdie => Tioga tomorrow. Then a 200k ride on Saturday, obviously. That shouldn’t affect me quite so badly…
No idea what any of my levels are now, since I ramped.
@Jonathan, hoping you can help me here. In regards to the 0.3-0.7 weekly progression mentioned above, is it safe to say this is the being driven by confidence interval parameter estimate coming from the regression you guys are running in the background?
I’ve got a stats background and operate in the data science/machine learning area so feel free to be as technical as nate will allow you to be.
Does anyone have any positive results with the Updated Training Plans (not AT/Beta just regular Updated Training plans)? I know the new plans have only been out 5 weeks. I just started the 6th week (recovery) of SSBMVII updated version.
My compliance is definitely up in Sustained Power Build, but I’m only into the third week so it’s early days. I feel like I’m going to get a bit of a bump from this first half without feeling as wrecked as last year’s attempt, but it remains to be seen. I also had a B event on Sunday which means it hasn’t been “full plan compliance”, since Plan Builder toned down the end of last week and start of this week accordingly.
I’ll add, this doesn’t mean it’s been easy. My legs have been pretty wrecked from the 5-min VO2 progression, but it’s been very achievable at the same time. Satisfying, really. And the O/Us may “look” easier, but they actually ramp up to 105-110% and do take their toll when strung together with the VO2 work.
Also I did manually bump the Sunday SS progression slightly - starting with Macgregor-4 instead of Kabati (which seemed ridiculously easy - Macgregor is already quite easy) and going from there. (I’m talking about the mid volume plan here.)
That’s another point - I’ve always done mid volume previously but this year I’d started doing low volume due to a bit of burn-out, but this new plan has got me back happily doing mid-volume again and I think that is paying off.