hi folks. Nate recently talked of new features coming, perhaps late in 2022. was one of those features being to use non TR outdoor rides to influence PL levels? this last year i’ve been training outdoors mostly and then associating them with TR workouts to get my PL levels. i’ve done some outdoor workouts with the greater structure from my wahoo, but ive preferred the looser version of associating workouts. it would be nice for TR to do the PL levels automatically. also is the plan to have workouts cover a few PLs? it seems false to see (after 2 weeks) endurance levels drop off if you’ve done a block of racing or threshold workouts.

Levels v2 is coming, but AFAIK there’s no date yet (might have been in a podcast but WFH means no commute so I’m behind on them).

Yeah, but don’t hold your breath, post from 10 months ago (thank god it wasn’t low priority) I’ve given up on AT and PL as it doesn’t suit my requirements, and external workouts get stupid PL’s [image] tada Adaptive Training Live Q&A tada Ask a Cycling Coach Podcast Its still the highest priority for the development team to consider all and any unstructured rides and workouts within AT. As Nate mentioned on the podcast, its in an ‘Alpha’ testing phase, so as you can imagine, not promising a timeline is something we’ll uphold as with other features and releases to do right by our athletes.

Here is what i think is the most recent info on Workout Levels Version 2. [image] AACC Episode 380 released, but forum topic MIA? Ask a Cycling Coach Podcast Posting in a separate topic that can be merged when TR makes the official topic, but until then: I just got a bit into AACC Episode 380 and at 13 mins in… Nate touches on “Workout Levels Version 2”. It sounds very close with a planned release to a small group for additional use/testing (about 16:25). Then they will move to “Early Access” after that, which is a wide release via user selection in the TR account settings. Getting closer and closer… open_mouth Pro Racing Data, Time-Crunc…

I get this feeling trying to model an outdoor activity isn’t so easy with lots of edge cases throwing off the predictions. Also why I wished they looked at more than just activity/workout data as this doesn’t really look at the body’s direct response to the activity, only indirect (what type of work you can do in the future) Hence the other thread I created where I think they should import data like garmin health API which give some metrics that correlate with how much strain the body was under: (but feel like I’m the only one asking for it) [image] Using HRV to increase and decrease intensity/load TrainerRoad Software Anyone see this? https://www.researchgate.net/publication/362719958_Individualized_Endurance_Training_Based_on_Recovery_and_Training_Status_in_Recreational_Runners They varied the workouts based on nocturnal heart rate variability, perceived recovery, and heart rate-running speed index to get a better response to training. This made it easier or harder based on how the body was responding to training. (The change in the 10 km time was greater in IND (individualized so changed based on HRV) c…

[image] cagiva_wmx125: also is the plan to have workouts cover a few PLs? it seems false to see (after 2 weeks) endurance levels drop off if you’ve done a block of racing or threshold workouts. This functionality is already in place within Adaptive Training! The severity of the ‘trickle down’ from workouts impacting multiple zones varies depending upon the work you’re doing, but it is normal to see a slight drop in endurance if you neglect specific work in that system for a period of time. We’re making solid progress on Workout Levels V2 that will assign appropriate Progression Levels to your unstructured outside rides, so you won’t have to hunt for similar-looking TR workouts for too much longer! [image] WombleHunter: I’ve given up on AT and PL as it doesn’t suit my requirements, and external workouts get stupid PL’s I’m happy to report that we’re making really good headway on WLV2, but in the meantime, is there anything I can help you with regarding outside structured workouts within AT?

[image] IvyAudrain: We’re making solid progress on Workout Levels V2 that will assign appropriate Progression Levels to your unstructured outside rides, so you won’t have to hunt for similar-looking TR workouts for too much longer! This is exciting, I can’t wait! I assume this will be released as a beta first?

Yes, it will be released in closed beta first to iron out any major wrinkles, then we’ll move to beta. Exiting stuff for sure!

@Nate_Pearson also uttered “red light / green light” the last two episodes. Not sure what that’s about.

Regardless of when Workout Levels V2 come out, how many weeks back will it look at my unstructured rides ?

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Here is what i think is the most recent info on Workout Levels Version 2.

Topic		Replies	Views
Will we ever get PL credit for non-TR activities (WLv2)? TrainerRoad Software	7	464	June 28, 2025
Workout Levels V2 update? [Unstructured Rides] TrainerRoad Software	829	49399	February 8, 2026
Are there any updates on the upcoming features? TrainerRoad Software	21	2209	October 24, 2022
Any chance of a Workout Level V2 for Xmas? TrainerRoad Software	11	1114	December 24, 2022
What is latest on outside rides/races being included in PLs? (Unstructured) TrainerRoad Software	49	3486	August 31, 2023

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