Deleting workouts from TR is too fiddly. Oddly I was seeing levels 4-6 come up in TrainNow for the first time a couple days ago. Then I matched a handful of completed rides to their custom workouts (these come from TP) and TrainNow reverted to prior behavior of giving levels 1-2.
I’ll send an email to support in a week or two if things don’t change.
Taking a mid season break.
Tuesday morning and last ride was 3 full days ago on Friday. That was a 2-hour ride with 1x60-min at 88% FTP. Most of my rides are 2+ hours.
Finally a non-endurance suggestion from TrainNow. This is only the second time I’ve noticed a Climbing/Attacking recommendation, however I haven’t been looking everyday.
60-min
75-min
90-min:
105-min:
120-min which is my typical target when riding outside:
EDIT:
link to post above when I saw levels in 4+ range and then they disappeared
All of my TrainNow suggestions have recently dropped to the 1.X range as well, I just reached out to support to ask what’s going on.
Same here, I posted and then sent email to support.
My last indoor workout was in early March. Here is how I’m training: coach assigns (mostly) structured workouts in TP, those structured workouts sync to TR, structured outdoor rides are recorded on Garmin 530, after the ride I open TR calendar and manually match outside workout to structured workout.
With that info the answer I received from TR support was:
Asked for clarification if any outdoor workouts are supported, as it wasn’t clear if the issue was with all outdoor workouts, or the issue was specific to custom workouts.
Eager to hear a definitive answer on this. I’m using TR workouts outdoors on a Garmin, and I’m thinking TN recommendations appear to be dropping in level. Fwiw, almost every workout I’ve done outdoors I’ve gone longer than the TR workouts with the TSS also being correspondingly higher than the downloaded one.
I seem to recall that TR outside workouts would automatically match.
Do you have to manually match on the calendar?
My issue may be different then, as I’m doing indoor workouts following a regular old TR plan. They told me I could try hitting refresh a bunch of times, which didn’t help (but maybe it would if I was dedicated enough to keep at it).
They also told me that it was a known bug that the team is able to reproduce and actively looking at. Not sure if it is related at all to the outdoor issue, but I suspect not.
I’ll show my ignorance. A workout is on my calendar from plan builder, or I decide to add an additional unscheduled workout. On the web I set it as outside and push to my Garmin. Most of the time I don’t schedule it, but just ride it and it shows up as a completed workout on my calendar. Is there a step I’m supposed to take to match it, and what does matching accomplish?
Fwiw, not having easy access to step-by-step instructions on all this stuff is frustrating. But even more so, have to know that manual interventions are necessary to get stuff to work is an indicator to me of poor design of the customer experience.
I don’t think so… My situation is very different. Coach and workouts created in TrainingPeaks.
So I’ll repeat. Sure would be nice to have a set of definitive instructions of “do this to get this result” in using the capabilities. Sure feels like the reality of a partially implemented vision (AT) leaves many of us more confused than supported.
I have been. But having to ask, or even knowing that I should be asking about something vs having it clearly laid out is my point
I get regular changes in the suggested workouts. I have been Zwifting or riding outside. I have not been doing TR workouts. Actually, yesterday was my first TR workout in probably a year or longer.
edit: I do notice that the suggested workout gets stuck. I have to change the time and/or hit refresh to get it to update the suggestion. Aside from changing the workouts listed, it will also change the suggested type (endurance, climbing, attacking) to be inline with what I generally expect.
I’ve read through the thread and seen some references to it, but am still unclear around solely using TrainNow and the underlying interaction between FTP test results and progression levels.
Let’s say I’m not utilising a training plan and start using TrainNow whenever I’m free to ride, and use my latest FTP as a starting point. Am I correct in thinking that over time the suggested workouts, if completed successfully, will increase in intensity level, thereby providing an added training stimulus?
Am I also correct in thinking that if I take a ramp test and see a jump in FTP, that subsequent workouts will initially be scaled back in terms of intensity level to allow some adaptation to the additional demands imposed by using the new FTP, thereby avoiding the initial ‘double whammy’ of a higher intensity workout at a higher FTP?
I’m trying to figure out whether to work my way up the intensity level ladder using a set FTP and only re-test occasionally, or to test regularly and allow the system to adjust accordingly. Not sure which would be recommended in terms of return on training time invested.
Maybe I’m overthinking it!
I see changes too but the levels are between 1-2, and mostly endurance recommendations. Hitting refresh only changes the workout, it has never changed Endurance recommendation to Climbing or Attacking. I also change the duration from default of 60 to 120 minutes.
Are you in the beta?
Well, looks like the dog has caught the car and needs to decide what to do with it. I’ll have a lot of questions for support before I click on the “activate” button to enroll. Thanks for the insights here.
I have the same question, but I guess lacked the correct P word when I asked it a few days back, so thanks @mark.douthwaite.frr for asking it in a different way. I know TrainNow is not a Plan, and not Periodized. But does it attempt any kind of Progression at all, assuming I regularly successfully complete workouts it suggests for me? Nate seemed to imply that it did when he said that’s what he’d use if he just wanted to get faster (in some general way) but without an event on the horizon.
I did re-read the TR posts by @david.riddlebarger answering that, yes, TR workouts done outside are considered, and @SeanHurley, warning that TN is not a substitute for a Plan if you’re training for a specific event. I may have missed something earlier, but I’m still unsure whether TrainNow will make workouts a little harder if I’m regularly completing those it offers me.
Will it?
I just can’t tell yet from the suggestions it makes for me, nor from what it seems to make for others here. So I re-ask the question with the new word: is there any Progression at all built into TrainNow, which I love. I love it I think because of the absence of a fixed rain-or-shine calendar that I feel guilty for changing, and because the suggestions all seem much more in the Goldilocks zone than the old fixed plans. But I also wonder if the real reason I love it could be that it never will get harder, and is built not to.
Back at the beginning of this thread Nate and Ivy were hopeful/optimistic about outdoor workouts. It seems the development team has encountered some mid-beta-flight ‘turbulence’ and its simply going to take more time than hoped.
For now, support states the level behavior is expected without any recent indoor TR workouts. Look forward to seeing recommendations once TrainNow can ‘see’ my outdoor (structured) workouts.
Not a definitive answer, but maybe. I’m not in AT beta (yet! hope springs eternal), but like you I’m off-plan. I’ve been making extensive use of TN to select workouts for a few weeks and I’ve been trying to pay attention to the levels. Since we don’t have the “achievable/productive/stretch” labels on the proposed workouts you have to put in some work to lookup the workouts to see the ride category & level and select one that is more difficult than your last successful workout. And without the post-ride rpe survey, TN has no idea how much it should bump you after a successful workout.
An example: On the 16th, TN recommended King Peak -2 (SS 2.8; I haven’t done SS in a while). I crushed that workout and did some extra intervals. On the 22nd I chose Ethan Allen (SS 7.2). It looked achievable, and I’d done it around now last year, so I wanted to see where I’m at. It went fine and didn’t crush me. Looking today (the 26th) and TN is suggesting: Chicoma -1 (SS 7.8) and Pioneer +2 (SS 6.7). So you can see it bumped me up quickly after Ethan Allen (SS 7.2), but today’s recommendation could go either way with difficulty.
Yes, albeit in a less progressive or focused way than a training plan will. 
