Yea, the only way I could guess they might do this easily with the data they have would be something like using your TSS form balance, but even that is not at all bad for me right now so I can’t understand why it’s suddenly suggesting very easy workouts again. Something else must be triggering it.
The one other idea I just thought of was I had to do a help ticket to deal with a recent FTP change not syncing correctly across my phone/web settings - updated in some places and not others - and that got fixed earlier this week. And I’ve seen on the AT thread that changing your FTP manually will “reset” a bunch of things.
I’m wondering if that is what happened here… but I’d argue that a 6W increase shouldn’t take me all the way from appropriately challenging to off-the-couch levels. Nonetheless, my best guess right now - is that if you change your FTP anywhere in TR, all your TrainNow recommendations will reset to not be particularly useful until you do more workouts.
Will see what happens after doing another outdoor workout today!
Still not seeing any improvement in recommendations after another workout done after fixing the FTP sync issues that I suspect reset everything to what I’ll call “off the couch” recommendation mode.
Uploaded Fang Mtn +1 done outside, target IF 0.86 - even with a longer warm-up, was > 0.9 IF for the workout portion, which I followed with an hour of easy endurance. I ran on the high side of all the ranges, so don’t think it could be called a fail - a couple ~1 min interruptions on recovery intervals screwing with front derailleur, but jumped ahead to start intervals early to minimize any impact from that as well. Still seeing nothing but workouts < 0.82 in TrainNow - including downgrades of what would be coming up in my Gen build where I’ve been hitting all the workouts at/above plan.
Doesn’t really make any sense to me what is driving these recommendations - maybe the outdoor TR workouts are not evaluating properly or something.
It’s interesting that some people above are also getting what they see as likely overly aggressive recommendations - I haven’t seen that yet - only oscillated between ridiculously easy and very well targeted.
I had some fun trying out a new workout on Tuesday for the suggested Attacking workout (Kearsarge - 4), but I was disappointed on Thursday when the only 60 minute Endurance ride it would give me was Bays over and over again–weird.
I’m not sure, but I had gen build in my plan before as well when I was getting some good suggestions so I’m doubtful it’s doing anything to say “take it easy today because you have xyz coming up…” - but I haven’t found any kind of FAQ addressing these kinds of questions - the overview blog doesn’t go into any of these subjects and I don’t want to bomb the help desk with tickets.
I think given that this is the only part of the new AT stuff we can all use now and was actually released, it would be nice if TR could publish and maintain something like that as we use it, but I guess all the attention is on the closed beta.
According to TR’s posts, TrainNow (TN) is NOT taking your training plan, periodization, previous workouts and/or your fatigue level into consideration. TN was created for those not on a plan to give them an “achievable” workout in 3 different energy systems. So it looks at your previous workouts and based on their difficulty it recommends similar workouts of the same difficulty level assigned to each workout. For example, I’d imagine if you’re coming out of 12 weeks of Base and are looking to do an “Attacking” workout in TN, it may not be accurate because you haven’t done a lot of high intensity workouts for ML/TN to use. Furthermore, it certainly wouldn’t be difficult/challenging (as all are suppose to be “achievable” anyways).
I’ve read it is looking at your prior workouts - only if they are indoor, or outdoor within a pushed outside workout from TR. Which I’ve done quite a few of now. And presumably it’s supposed to propose achievable and progressive workouts related to those. This is the part that doesn’t seem to be working as outlined above. I’ve also made sure to seed my recent history with good variety of TR workouts including VO2max O/Us, and endurance. (Mills, Baird +1, Carpathian Peak, etc.)
We’ve also heard FTP changes reset progression levels, so I think maybe there is an interaction there as I noted above, but it’s still not adding up unless there is a need for many more workouts before it actually starts responding. Yet when I first tried TrainNow, it seemed to adapt after just one day to realize “OK, now I see a TR workout and realize this person isn’t off the couch.”
Geezer here, not Master. Not on AT beta, but using Train Now feature of desktop app, just so I can see its suggestions. I love it.
Let me count the ways.
Use any time
No far-off event needed
No Plan Builder (plus ReBuilder) needed
Lets me input time I have right now
Adapts to today’s weather (indoor vs outdoor) easily!
Gives me three basic styles to choose from
Introduces workouts I’ve never seen before
Calibrated by earlier workouts, not just one ramp test
So far its suggestions have been saner and way more fun than those I give myself when I try to Frankenstein standard TR plans for my old bones. And I can still at least pretend there is some semblance of structure.
Can’t overstate how much this means to this ancient. The weather dominates when and where I can ride and therefore how as well. First, TR let me count outdoor rides in my “career” and gave me a calendar to see them in. Then, it let me push TR workouts onto the head unit and do them outside in good weather. Now it lets me check out today’s weather and stay indoors or ride outside, knowing that I can adjust again tomorrow or the next day maybe with a different type of workout – and STILL have recognizable TR workouts to feed into the upcoming ML, with a reasonable expectation that it will get better and better at suggesting workouts. The psychological boost of actual completing a variety of workouts that “feel” right – versus vague guilt or uncertainty about any deviations from a 6-week script of blue mountains – is huge for this old man.
That’s a lot of progress in just the app and useable workouts in the few years I’ve been here, not even counting the freebies like the forum and the podcasts!
Going to try TN for the first time today and see what happens. Not been using a plan for a bit now as I got covid a while back and a new job has not helped the weather in GA has been glorious to ride outside.
Did lion rock today, full compliance on every interval, no breaks or disruptions.
Had to use outdoor workout version on my wahoo bolt because the TR app wouldn’t pair my 3 devices - only 1-2 max would pair after repeated attempts to restart, etc. But worked fine on bolt, followed it precisely with every lap average within target range, with addition of 20 mins high Z2 after.
Now trainnow recommends lion rock -2, a way easier version. Wtf?
The attacking workouts recommended got slightly harder I think but still way below stuff I’ve done in TR in past two weeks. Maybe the support ticket to fix the ftp sync wiped a lot of that data’s relvance all out.
But it really doesn’t seem like the new TR outdoor workouts are influencing it correctly. Maybe a bug with extra warm up or cool down time? Although they said that wouldn’t be considered either way.
Maybe it’s saying ”you can’t handle anything harder just yet because you have just done Lion Rock”. Use TrainNow nearer to when you are doing your next workout.
How far ahead does the system suggest new workouts? I have a ssbhv week starting and after this mornings FTP test my app on Mac OS & IOS does not show any plan changes. Am I missing a button click?
I would have thought that might be plausible except I’m pretty sure TR staff stated that it does not consider fatigue at all - it’s totally based on progression levels - assuming they are correctly logging your levels.
Apologies if this has already been discussed, but I couldn’t find it. I am trying to choose an outdoor endurance ride. I do not have enough time for the 3 hour prescription in my plan, but I do have 2.15. When I enter this into TrainNow, it will give me an option, but as soon as I change it to an outdoor ride, it changes the length to 3+ hours. I have to go to a 90 min ride, then change to outdoor, and it will adjust to about 2.15. Am I missing a setting or is this intended? It only appears to be true for endurance rides.
As a rule, TR bumps all outdoor versions of Endurance rides to 50% longer. So, if you want 90 minutes outside, you might have better luck using the 60 minute filter for finding the inside version to start.
Hoping someone can help, excited to try the TN feature but can’t for life of me find it on my iPhone TR app? I don’t have a desktop but understood TN was available on all mobile devices. Have downloaded latest iOS etc. But still no luck. Any pointers? Thanks👍🏽