Good question. Not unless you’re having GI issues.
Was this more sodium than you typically use? If yes, what was typical sodium hourly intake before this?
If you guys like the kool aid like flavors, I’ve been enjoying the Gatorade Frost Cherry Glacier. My next batch will be the Grape version of it. I like those Frost flavors better than original Gatorade flavors.
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A little off topic. Probable missed this somewhere. Been using a mix formula posted here awhile back. If I weigh out a scoop to say 50g. How does that translate to calories? 4xg or less? Here the mix I’m playing with. Thanks for your valuable input!
The mix that is working for us is;
2lbs (907 grams) of Maltodextrin
1.6lbs (726 grams) of Fructose powder
20,000mg (20 grams) of sodium citrate
120g of Gatorade mix (flavor of your choice)
Then when mixing a bottle depending on condition, type of ride and athlete you used 50-100g of mix per bottle per hour. I personally train on 50g and race on 75-80g per hour.
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Your mix, assuming lemon lime gatorade powder is 98% carbs by mass, so 49g of your 50g serving is carbohydrate. Assuming 200 calories per 50g serving is right on.
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No more costco gatorade powder at my warehouses in GA. Checked the other day and not carrying it. Even called and had them check for me.
Same. Frost cherry glacier is flavor tremendous, especially with added salt or sodium citrate & sugar.
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Yep. Close enough, for sure.
I’d say you’re now in spot-on ideal sodium territory, for you. Much better than 400-500mg if you’re consuming close to 1L per hour. (Which I absolutely would be, if I were getting salt marks like that.)
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Will check it out after all of my sis tabs are gone. Only using 1/2 of a tab per bottle and tastes good.
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Thanks Guys! Seems I can fuel more as I’ve been using one scoop an hour which weighs in at 30 g or 120 cal.
At the moment I have just been using table sugar 50-120g per hour. Want to get closer to the 1.8/1 glucose to fructose ratio. Maltodextrin seems expensive. Dextrose is cheaper. Is it fine to use dextrose? or is there a bigger performance benefit with maltodextrin?
First I must confess that I had the ratios backwards 
I was doing the reverse of recommended. (40g Gatorade + 80g of Malto + 1/4 tsp sodium citrate) This was for 1 hour training. No GI
Now I am switching it to the recommended 80g Gatorade + 40g Malto + 1/4 tsp SC. With my goal event less than a month out I am starting to tinker with what I can handle consistency wise.
@Dr_Alex_Harrison and anyone else that has experience for ~1L bottle what is the most grams you have had in a single bottle? I mixed up a batch of about 600g (400g Sucrose + 200g Malto + 1 TBSP SC) Which would last about 5 hours (Even though goal time is 4 hours). This is highly concentrated and I am thinking I may have to reduce it to 400g or approximately 100g/hour (~280 Sucrose + 120g Malto + 2.5tsp SC)
Thoughts?
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It sounds like you would almost be treating this ‘mega bottle’ like a large gel, rather than a ‘drink’.
SiS gels are 22grams carbs per 60ml, so you are almost twice as concentrated as those at 600g/liter.
I may have to give this a try, as I have found that after a few hours of drinking heavily sugared drinks I get really tired of them, and crave plain water. Having a ‘gel bottle’ and a ‘water bottle’ could really help with this. Also drinking plain water after the sugar is likely better for tooth health as well.
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This was my plan to have a carb bottle and have 1 or 2 plain water
This is my favorite strategy for self-supported endurance events. I’ve attempted 700g in a 975mL bottle. It worked okay. I have utterly no idea what concentrations I was consuming throughout the ride though because I refilled it on several stops.
I prefer not going over about 450g/L if I’m going to attempt to “drink” it. Beyond that and you really have to treat it mentally like a “gel” or you’ll attempt to swallow and it’ll choke you.
Sounds like @redlude97 is doing similar with his 90g/200mL bottle.
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No idea on price, because I use sugar, personally.
Performance differences will be very very hard to measure, and impossible to perceive.
Gut tolerance differences will be hard to measure and hard to perceive.
That’s a complicated way to say, they’re pretty much the same.
FYI: Osmolarity (molecules/L) matters far less than carb concentration (g/L), which still matters less than carb intake rate (g/hr).
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This is what I use for refil…
Simple vacuum sealed packages. Bought for less than 30 euros in Lidl and is great to make small plackages which are easy and secure to carry.
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Some results from tonight’s workout.
I found that the liquid in the bottle had the consistency of syrup.
Since this is meant for a longer event I trying to make sure I consume some on regular intervals. In my case I guessed every 10 minutes. Some of these landed on VO2 Max intervals so I would just wait until the work was done before consuming.
Through the very scientific measurement of the almighty sip
I was able to consume 220g of carbs in 2 hours with no GI issues.
Results may vary for everyone please make sure to test on yourself do not take my n=1 observations for nothing more than an idiot’s experience
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Is my math right? A 2:1 Gatorade/Malto mixture is is about 92grams per 100grams of mixture?