Hypocrisy
I am using AI FTP detector and AT features. Although like many others on the Low Volume plan, I pick this plan so I can add additional outside rides and/or stay on point if I have a busy work week and thatās all I can doā¦ None-the-less this past 2-3 months probably has been one of my most successful 'sticking to the plan" periods on my TR personal training history the last ~10 years.
All in all, my recent FTP detected level I just accepted took me from 254 down 1 watt to 253 (down 0.1%). I am at 3.58 wtt/kg and in build, so no increase? This is not really any different from other years around this time in Spring either. So no remarkable differences in my n of 1 situation using AT for FTP.
Point being - all of the fancy gadgets, app updates, detectors, what have you . . . if you canāt make me faster with it, itās not worth price increase (at least to me). I have said it before, you are going to have to show the legacy users who have been around for a while and whose rates may go up . . . that these technology advances bring added value to justify any further potential price increases.
@Nate_Pearson is there a plan to show published outcomes to see if AT makes a difference? I really think you have to look at a population who have been around a while. New users to training would be pointless. Any new structured plan for new users will work. And maybe the data to look at is not all about FTP growth, but looking at repeatability, able to handle what was once a limiter like āthresholdā better, etc. However, FTP probably needs to be the primary question in a scientific publishable type of paper. Coach Chad cites a lot of papers, time to start putting TR in the race of publishable results,
All great work and love the company/team with the idea to push the science. However, I would like to see published outcomes. Carry-on!
At some point, we all stop getting faster. It can be due to any number of reasonsā¦age, genetics, volume, etc.
I mentioned on another thread re: equipment that using āfasterā as a metric is not the best measuring stick. You also seem to be using FTP as a proxy for āfasterā. My FTP in season probably has not changed more than a few watts for well over a decade. But I am just as strong, if not stronger, than I have ever been. Am I āfasterā? Hell, I donāt knowā¦too many variables come into play for āfasterā.
A big part of my recent āsuccessā has simply been more volume and I didnāt need TR for thatā¦.but TR has helped me address my weaknesses (hello, VO2 Max) and that has helped make me stronger. But again, my FTP hasnāt really changed.
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@Power13 Iām not the one who came up with the product built around the slogan . . .āTrainerRoadās slogan Get Faster reflects our one and only mission: to make you a faster cyclist with science-backed training.ā
As to your point about people being unable to get Faster for a variety of reasons. . . thank you, that is my rationale as to why I would be against price increases without proof of improvement to the goal. If TR cannot turnaround and show their recent advancements and enhancements actually make a difference in the population, then there is no point.
BTW - Iām not at all hung up on FTP. If TR wanted to do a study, FTP is merely the most practical testing value that everyone is using and itās somewhat objective. They can certainly use other endpoints in a study . . . . wonderful please, please go at it. I am happy to see how TR would evaluate success in a study!
All I am saying is that I am ready to see some data and proof.
Youāll pay more if TR shows you that someoneā¦else got faster?
Youāre asking for one side of the equation where there are two variables;
(Y)ou X (T)rainerRoad = (F)aster. Why do they need to show āsome data and proofā? It takes two to tangoā¦
If I was TR Iād head right over to your side of the equation (training history). There had better not be one backpedal, no workout alternates, no shifting plans around, no lowering of the workout level just 100% compliance before TR shows itās hand.
You game? (I certainly wouldnāt be, lolā¦I donāt want anyone looking at my stuff!).
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Yes I have all bad habits . . . back pedals and all. Feel free to look TR. @Aplcr0331 you are probably correct that the AT intervention doesnāt help riders like me unless everything else is cleaned-up first. Once again thanks for proving my point that I am not sure it would be worth someone like me paying more if rates were to go up.
Nate, if you are reading you may have your answer . . . tiered system might be a good option after all. Maybe a cheap basic plan for a heck of a lot of us might be all we need.
I do in fact like all the new bells and whistles of AT, but I doubt I need them as pointed-out.
BTW why in the world would performance minded folks who use power meters on bicycles, cadence & HR monitors, who upload their data to at least 2 if not more places
want to see outcomes across the broad population of users for this new intervention. What a silly notion I had, please forgive me.
Be well my friend
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āWe didnāt need all this fancy stuff when I were a ladā.
Thanks, I didnāt that was possible!. I have a mint computrainer which was admired daily by good intentions.
They sent me a replacement flywheel for mine even though I never had issues with the old ones. I was still using my Computrainer until early this year. It really is a solid bit of kit. I still have it lying around if my NEO or KICKR dies.
On topic: if Iām on $12/m from 2017 and ācancelā will I restart at $12/m or the new $20/m pricing?
I donāt know becuase I am new here (so interested in this legacy pricing) , but a post from another thread
If you cancel and rejoin it will be regular price.
Iām still on 99$ a month and Iāve always been in the āIād pay more for TRā camp. With the USD being valued so much higher now, my TR cost just went up 30% because of the new exchange rate for my currency. Not sure where I stand anymore.
TR legacy pricing users sure do love to mention theyād happily pay more, while clearly having no intention of moving off their legacy pricing 
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Why does this start to sound like people are more concerned that other people are paying less than them, not what they themselves are paying? Like envy.
What anyone else is paying doesnāt affect your bank account or make you slower, so donāt worry about it.
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The way it works is that if someone pays less than me for the same product, and also has a fixed price that will never be regulated, I will pay more to compensate for the loss the seller has on the lower price. That will affect my bank account.
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On the opposite side I (and others) have been giving TR my money for many years without a break, it has paid for all the nice features, not available back then (calender, AT, AIT FTP, outside workouts, etc) you now enjoy.
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I donāt feel that how software development works, you paid to use the service, you werenāt investing in the company or giving them the thousands that it would take to develop something like AT, their lunch video says they were developing it 3 years since the launch, 2 years ago, so thats about a quarter million GBP in wages for one senior developer alone, let alone over heads, 10 years @ $99 = about one weeks senior develper wages, less the price of the screen on the development machine that I am typing this on
All the time you were āinvestingā you were drawing money out, they had to hoast the software so you could use it, pay for cloud services, water fee, you paid to use the service, how TR decided to use that money is up to them
Much like I didnāt sponser Brad Wiggins and Chris Froome winning the tour, because I have Sky TV
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I totally agree, and itās fairly normal in business for different companies to negotiate different amount for the same service, but when they start brandishing how much they pay, you canāt be supprised when other comanies (in this case people) come back and demand the same service / level of discount. As far as I can see (as a newbie here) If i subscribe not only will I pay more for the same service per month, after (about) 5 years, I will pay more in total, and there is no way for me to negotiate a lower fee
As somebody looking to subscribe
Itās interesting that a long time user, doesnāt feel that paying half what I will be paying, doubts it is worth it, evern though
Do you have anything to offer the group? Youāve been here 20 days and made 22 of 22 posts about why you donāt think the price of this service is fair. You may get more value out of the service if you contribute something of value yourself.
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