Agreed. I think there’s probably intent to eventually import the data from your wearable.
I do think they could make it a whole lot easier by just saying how are you feeling fresh, ok, or tired?
Agreed… I’ve found that changing the recovery score from 50 to 66, which in my mind are two very different values, doesn’t change anything regarding upcoming workouts. If changes only occur on those 25, 50, 75, 100 boundaries, then it’s silly to allow something like 66.
They might keep track (i am almost certain they do after having tried it for a week or so) and after a while the estimated score will be right most days?
Hm played around with it and managed to get a workout today by increasing it from 35 to 65… I’m still not sold on everything since at least in the first 2 weeks the Workouts are a bit random when it comes to intesity.
Also found an issue for me where the join workout player didn’t upload my workout to Garmin and TP, only to Strava… now it is missing in wko5…
Ugh. What a pain. I hate trying to coordinate apps to where everything uploads everywhere but without duplicates. I’m playing with using RunGap as the intermediary to smooth that. I’m also considering dumping a bunch of apps and simplifying my life.
Just in case you didn’t know, you can download and upload from Strava, but obviously you don’t want to have to do that every time.
Some programs gradually build up others start of immediately but after a while you will start to notice patterns and the workouts will seem less random and I don’t know if you noticed it but there is a little button that explains why you got that particular workout that day (it is only available on the day of the workout) iirc Join will try to plan at least 1 threshold workout once every fortnight and 1 vo2max workout once every 7 of 10 days or something like that.
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According to Join’s Roadmap in Featurebase, there’s a planned integration with Garmin, Whoop, etc, so it looks like the readiness/recovery scoring may sort itself out soon enough. Whether that’s a good/bad thing, all depends on how much our wearable scoring metrics track with how we actually feel. And our confidence in those numbers. I wear a Garmin Forerunner and I find it tracks pretty well with my ‘sensations’…
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I saw this announcement but do not have a readiness score. Oh well. I have a hard enough time scoring my workouts after.
Here is Rohan’s advice on what to do if you don’t have a device.
Where should we see this score?
Hopefully this will help.
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Thanks! My app didn’t auto update apparently. I see it now
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That it changed it from Threshold to Strenght (although 8 to 10 min are not that different) is my biggest gripe with the app, it seems to change the targeted adaptions to much based on when it thinks you are ready… Also the Why this workout is fun, if you give me 5x1 minute intervals with plenty of rest in a 2h ride, don’t tell me i got this because it’s time for a VO2 max session, that will not do much for that…
Tempo sessions are classified under endurance not threshold
Looking longer term there definitely is some progression in not just ctl but also in intensity
(The 2 drops in ctl and intensity where a change from winter maintenance to lsrf and short illness respectively)
And here my power curves from unstructured, vs with tr and with join
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Observation regarding readiness: The automatically calculated recovery level value almost matched my COROS recovery percentage this morning. When I awoke JOIN had it at 52, and COROS 55. Very very interesting.
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As mentioned above, it went from 10 min Tempo intervals to 8 min Strength (low Threshold at low RPMs). I did expect it to go harder since I went from a Readiness of 39 to 79, so that’s as expected. I had done 5x4min VO2 on Tuesday and then 4x10 Threshold with 3 min rest on Wednesday (basically the TR workout Smith -2, but with a longer warmup and cool down), so I think Strength was a good choice for the Thursday given my readiness was so high. On a normal week, I might have preferred that was Z2, but I knew I had 5 days of travel this weekend, so I was happy to have a harder workout scheduled before I left.
I haven’t had a chance to play with it any more since I’m traveling, but I do think that one workout example was well timed by Join.
I had to change my Saturday availability to none and wanted to make my Sunday workout longer so I chose 4 hours available but it didn’t change the duration or the workout. What am I missing?
There are a lot of variables here. Just a few off the top of my head…What workout was assigned and how long was it? Is there a 4 hour alternative to that available? Did it change any of your other upcoming workouts? Would 4 hours push you outside the weekly activity level you selected? I’m sure I’ve missed something else.
It was 2 sets of 40-20s and the duration was 2:15. I don’t think there is an alternative. I guess I was assuming it would pick something close enough for four hours. That is higher than my athletic profile suggests. Great point. I changed it and now it gave me something closer but still only 3 hours. So I guess you can just pop in random availability if it’s outside your athletic profile. I’m sure updating it for one ride probably screws the rest of the training up too
Seems strange that I would have to change my athlete if profile every time I have some extra time on my hands. Unless I am missing the point. I thought that’s what the weekly availability is for
Edit: I think this is a me issue. I was just thinking if I couldn’t do two hours on one day I’d make up for it with 4 on the next. What it did now once I updated my Athelstan profile was give my over unders for a total of 28 minutes over 3 hours. Certainly a good workout. Not four hours but it’s looking at training stress and not just volume
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