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Sunday FTP
Wednesday FTP
8AM FTP
3PM FTP
Different FTP depending on the bike

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It will work with anything that supports workouts: Forerunner, Fenix, edge, vivoactive line.

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Not yet, I do see us doing this though, it’s just not scheduled yet. There are some other higher priority things we’d like to do first.

I would check for FTPs being the same in both systems. We use Training Peaks software and WKO to test our TSS calcs. Interestingly, the two round a bit differently and you can get TSS off by 1.

Id like to see you setup a free TP account, push a workout in question and see what the TSS says with the same exact FTP in both systems. If TP and TR line up, I’d say look at Cycling Analytics.

If TP and TR Don’t line up, let us know, we’ll reproduce it and fix the issue.

Hi,

Uploaded to TP - with free account I connot see how to manipulate the FTP settings for a specific week - but things are not perfectly aligned - minor variations I understand will be the norm, but some bigger variations too. If you look at my outdoor rides 31st Dec and April 7th - TR clealry too low - TP same as head unit and CA.

Thanks for looking

Gavin


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Just curious if anyone is using 8 speed for outdoor workouts. I tried to do a threshold effort yesterday on a stretch of road, it was a bit rolling, and I was quickly reminded why I like erg mode lol I think I’ll have to keep an eye out for inexpensive 10 speed shifters to upgrade my bike and get to have a bit more granular control in my gearing.

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I’m sorry but it defeats the purpose of following a number outside. If the number is low then what’s the point?

Not everyone has an ā€œoutdoor FTP.ā€ If your number is low, up the intensity just like you would indoors. :slight_smile:

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Neat feature but kind of pointless until we can easily push workouts to our Garmin/Wahoo devices (I know this is in the works.)

Currently, my iPhone sits atop my stem and I run the TrainerRoad workouts from there. It’s rather useless to me to have an ā€œoutdoorā€ version of the workout that isn’t giving me the power goals like the ā€œindoorā€ version.

I’m going to continue to use the ā€œindoorā€ workouts outside until we can push workouts to our GPS units. At that point I will re-evaluate the situation.

Good work guys! Just wish you’d have waited to announce this until you had support for Garmin/Wahoo units fully dialed in.

We polled the forum before this and 73% wanted this feature before we could push to Garmin/Wahoo devices.

This is why we launched this before we had support to push to external head units.

Would having alternative text based outside workouts (for TR workouts) be useful?

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That’s a very interesting problem you’re having.

I also do TR workouts inside and out. However, the TSS from my outdoor rides and indoor rides are always spot on comparable. If anything, the outdoor rides end up being a couple points higher because it’s hard to recover at 100 watts outside. Likewise, the actual TSS shown on my Wahoo Elemnt matches the figure that ends up being recorded on the TrainerRoad calendar. This almost sounds like an equipment issue somewhere on your end.

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Well, in that case I guess I’m in the minority.

At any rate, this is going to be an amazing feature once it’s fully implemented.

Keep up the good work!

Thanks for the comments… there may be a technical at my end, but that doesn’t explain why TR plot data graphically which is clealry add odds with the numrical values - ie - 16k TT - ridden about 15 watts above FTP - as seen on head unit and displayed on TR plot - clearly above the FTP line shown as an average power almost 100watts less than FTP.
Similar in every ride which takes me above FTP - VO2 max intervals done outdoors - graph shows power around 285-300 watts - interval recorded as average power 130 watts… Indoor data always agrees with my head unit as it should since the head unit/P1 pedals are controlling the turbo.

I wonder if your head unit outside is dropping the power meter data outside and not averaging in the drops. My Edge 520 used to do that, power would always be higher on the Garmin app than anywhere else because it was dropping my power meter and the Garmin app was not averaging in the zeros, but every other software would count the drops at zeros.

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You have to manually set your Garmin head-unit to include-zeros. Such a setting exists for both cadence and power.

One should also turn off auto-pause. It does not always pause and restart as one would expect which can also lead to missing and/or inaccurate data.

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Then don’t change yours. Easy. For those who do, it would be a nice feature so we can make sure we are training effectively

Great development!
I don’t know if it has already been asked but is it possible to insert an ā€œoutdoorā€ FTP to use for outdoor training?
I, like many others, have a far higher outdoor FTP than the indoor one

Oh boy! You should have read the thread before :sweat_smile:

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saw many questions but only a ā€œwe’ve no plans to have multiple FTP’sā€ answer
I don’t care about multiple FTP’s , just an outdoor FTP to use with outside WO

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Did my first outdoor workout yesterday and I can’t describe how excited I am about this. Completely crushed the workout - lot easier than doing it indoors. More importantly, it’s forcing me to calibrate my efforts and better understand what it feels to do 450 watts for 60 seconds and then recover. The same is true of doing sweet spot on the road. It feels completely different from doing the same efforts indoors. As someone who uses erg mode exclusively indoors, that type of calibration is incredibly important and valuable.

The MVP is amazing. Now get us head unit integration PLEASE!!! I’m begging for Wahoo integration. Begging, pleading, exhorting (pick your favorite verb). Pretty please?

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