Hi Nate,
Great development. I try to balance indoor and outdoor riding as much as possible (racing outdoors - need to get a feel for the road - nothing like ERG mode). I like the TR philosophy, the devlopment, the podcasts, the Blog, the training sessions and initially I subscribed for a plan, and structure with celever progressive workouts. Over the first few months, I started to use it to monitor progress, plan future workouts etc. This is when I noticed that all of my outdoor rides were generating much lower TSS scores than my head unit and Cycling Analytics (that I beenusing for the analytics aspect of training). TR support have been great at trying to sort this - but no changes . Small variations I can understand, but 10 to 20% differences make a big difference over 6 months of training. Even more significant though is when I look at the detail within an outdoor ride - eg this week - 3min VO2 efforts (Coach Chad ride - converted to oudoors) - the TR plot clearly shows the enbtire 3 minutes above FTP line - but the data presenst average power during the interval as 100watts below my FTP. I guess the point of thie ramble is that your development of outdoor function is great - but Iād need more confidence in the data being processed/analysed in the way that my indoor rides are. Just for completeness - all data is from PowerTap P1 pedals, - power match during indoor - makes me wonder where the TR data is being extracted - TR plan or my actual power data. Outdoor rides P1ās to TR manually (had ben using Strava - but thought this might be the source of erroe so stopped automatic upload) - but no mprovement.
Thanks for all the user engagement from TR staff - I hope by sharing I can add to the development process- not inteneted to knock anything or anyone.
GavinT
Sunday FTP
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Different FTP depending on the bike
It will work with anything that supports workouts: Forerunner, Fenix, edge, vivoactive line.
Not yet, I do see us doing this though, itās just not scheduled yet. There are some other higher priority things weād like to do first.
I would check for FTPs being the same in both systems. We use Training Peaks software and WKO to test our TSS calcs. Interestingly, the two round a bit differently and you can get TSS off by 1.
Id like to see you setup a free TP account, push a workout in question and see what the TSS says with the same exact FTP in both systems. If TP and TR line up, Iād say look at Cycling Analytics.
If TP and TR Donāt line up, let us know, weāll reproduce it and fix the issue.
Hi,
Uploaded to TP - with free account I connot see how to manipulate the FTP settings for a specific week - but things are not perfectly aligned - minor variations I understand will be the norm, but some bigger variations too. If you look at my outdoor rides 31st Dec and April 7th - TR clealry too low - TP same as head unit and CA.
Thanks for looking
Gavin
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Just curious if anyone is using 8 speed for outdoor workouts. I tried to do a threshold effort yesterday on a stretch of road, it was a bit rolling, and I was quickly reminded why I like erg mode lol I think Iāll have to keep an eye out for inexpensive 10 speed shifters to upgrade my bike and get to have a bit more granular control in my gearing.
Iām sorry but it defeats the purpose of following a number outside. If the number is low then whatās the point?
Not everyone has an āoutdoor FTP.ā If your number is low, up the intensity just like you would indoors. 
Neat feature but kind of pointless until we can easily push workouts to our Garmin/Wahoo devices (I know this is in the works.)
Currently, my iPhone sits atop my stem and I run the TrainerRoad workouts from there. Itās rather useless to me to have an āoutdoorā version of the workout that isnāt giving me the power goals like the āindoorā version.
Iām going to continue to use the āindoorā workouts outside until we can push workouts to our GPS units. At that point I will re-evaluate the situation.
Good work guys! Just wish youād have waited to announce this until you had support for Garmin/Wahoo units fully dialed in.
We polled the forum before this and 73% wanted this feature before we could push to Garmin/Wahoo devices.
This is why we launched this before we had support to push to external head units.
Would having alternative text based outside workouts (for TR workouts) be useful?
Thatās a very interesting problem youāre having.
I also do TR workouts inside and out. However, the TSS from my outdoor rides and indoor rides are always spot on comparable. If anything, the outdoor rides end up being a couple points higher because itās hard to recover at 100 watts outside. Likewise, the actual TSS shown on my Wahoo Elemnt matches the figure that ends up being recorded on the TrainerRoad calendar. This almost sounds like an equipment issue somewhere on your end.
Well, in that case I guess Iām in the minority.
At any rate, this is going to be an amazing feature once itās fully implemented.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the commentsā¦ there may be a technical at my end, but that doesnāt explain why TR plot data graphically which is clealry add odds with the numrical values - ie - 16k TT - ridden about 15 watts above FTP - as seen on head unit and displayed on TR plot - clearly above the FTP line shown as an average power almost 100watts less than FTP.
Similar in every ride which takes me above FTP - VO2 max intervals done outdoors - graph shows power around 285-300 watts - interval recorded as average power 130 wattsā¦ Indoor data always agrees with my head unit as it should since the head unit/P1 pedals are controlling the turbo.
I wonder if your head unit outside is dropping the power meter data outside and not averaging in the drops. My Edge 520 used to do that, power would always be higher on the Garmin app than anywhere else because it was dropping my power meter and the Garmin app was not averaging in the zeros, but every other software would count the drops at zeros.
You have to manually set your Garmin head-unit to include-zeros. Such a setting exists for both cadence and power.
One should also turn off auto-pause. It does not always pause and restart as one would expect which can also lead to missing and/or inaccurate data.
Then donāt change yours. Easy. For those who do, it would be a nice feature so we can make sure we are training effectively
Great development!
I donāt know if it has already been asked but is it possible to insert an āoutdoorā FTP to use for outdoor training?
I, like many others, have a far higher outdoor FTP than the indoor one
Oh boy! You should have read the thread before 