Thatās a fair assessment, and makes sense for those doing outdoor workouts for a majority of their training.
I conduct the majority of mine indoors save for some weekend long-endurance or steady state workouts, so my adaptations have been pretty bang on accurate over the few months Iāve had access. That said, the outside workouts seem to always serve the struggle survey in the past month or so. When I know I didnāt struggle, I just choose the option that says āI didnāt struggle with thisā (itās the last option so you have to scroll) and then it serves me the pass survey to pick 1-5 rating. Iām on Wahoo though so theyāre not really working properly anyway.
My outdoor rides havenāt been accounted for. Iām thinking of re-creating a rough custom version of the ride as an indoor TR workout then associate the outdoor ride with your custom workout.
Whatās with all of the āsweet spotā workouts having 80% intervals? I always thought 80% of ftp was high endurance or low tempo, not sweet spot which according to TR is 88-94%. There seems to be a number of workouts like this. It even says āTempoā in the description.
Best guess? Thatās so low in workout level that itās going to be leaning more to tempo than sweet spot so it can build your level up to actual sweetspot. I think youāll see this for a lot of workouts in the 1-2 level range for a zone.
Yup, I asked about ones like these a few weeks ago. They said they ad essentially prep workouts aimed at Sweet Spot, and are labeled as such despite clearly being Tempo workouts by normal definition.
I had a sweetspot level 4+ that is a tempoā¦that doesnāt seem like prep.
The workout that was prescribed was perfect for what I thought I should do that day, itās just an example of some head scratching labels on workouts.
Iāve been in beta a week. My PL were clearly low at start, so I replaced some threshold and Vo2 with workouts I thought were better suited, and things have been great since then.
Today I did Septeret, which was labeled as achievable and is 4x5 at 114-115%. I had some doubts going into it that Iād be able to do that at target, but came out the other end fine. Certainly very hard in the last minute of the last two reps, but overall a highly appropriate workout for my fitness and goals.
My only quibble is that it is classified as a Level 6.6, and that seems a bit low. The 6.8 VO2 I did last week was Kosciuszko+2, which is 6 x 5 at 108%. Thatās a drop in difficulty IMO, even with the shortened rest. I hit that at 109-110% and still consider todays a harder workout. 4-6% is just a big jump when in vo2 range. At some point the increased recovery just doesnāt help, cause you have to burn a lot of matches as the duration gets extended at higher intensities.
Despite some quirkiness in the way things are classified, I can say the workouts Iāve been getting have been great so far. And thatās the most important part.
If you find (relative) Level assignments that donāt seem to make sense, then raise that with TR support and theyāll take a look to see whether the Levels are as intended or tweaking is required.
I imagine thereāll be situations where TR will be happy with a Level assignment but an individual still believes it to be āoutā, and other situations where āeveryoneā's on the same page and tweakingās warranted, ie. thereāll always be some scope for disagreement since subjectivity is involved.
Thatās a fair suggestion. And 100% the one from today could totally be a subjective thing. Iām throwing it out here for discussion to see if others feel similarly or if I am an outlier.
Is it my imagination or are TR staff mysteriously absent from the forum the last 5 or so days? Iāve seen the odd post from Ivy but nothing from Nate or Jonathan and we all know coach chad has moved to the Moon.
Had a ramp test today. Landed at 248 FTP, which is a drop from 250. Iām happy with floating there since Iām performing better than ever in group rides and out on the road despite the minor drop in FTP. It appears my VO2, Threshold and Sweet spot have all dropped by 1.0. Meanwhile, Anaerobic is 1.9 lower than the last completed Anaerobic workout of 7.6, but that workout was May 4 at the end of a hard block, so the decay seems about right to me.
I guess Iām either not experiencing the drastic level drop others have experienced OR they have addressed it and made the adjustments smaller. I feel like all the difficulties folks have noted here just havenāt applied to me for some reason, and sometimes I feel like Iām taking crazy pills thinking the experience is so good (wahoo outdoors not withstanding).
In any case, Iām looking forward to getting into the rhythm with specialty in the lead up to Intelligentsia cup in 8 weeks away in July. Looking at you Glen Ellyn & Winfield crits.
That seems odd though doesnāt it? Why would your levels drop if you FTP decreased (although negligibly). Assuming you have been successfully completing the workouts that were progressing your Levels, surely at a lower FTP youād expect to complete the same workouts?
I could understand maybe a āThresholdā decrease in Level, if perhaps the machine assumes a drop in that zone is what lead to a specific drop in FTP score when youāre still getting fitter everywhere else?
Also, to those who are on AT, are you not able to rearrange any workout days? i.e move your training days to Mon, Wed, Fri etc?
We can drag and drop days, just like alwaysā¦ but doing so ābreaksā the workouts out of the Plan Builder, just like it always did, unfortunately.
The issue here is worse since that break also separates it from full use in AT, so it should be avoided when possible.
This is a known issue/bug, and TR has said they aim to address it.
In the interim, the only āsafeā way to move workouts around is to use the annotation control for the specific active training phase, and shuffle the days in that dialog, which will then update your plan.
Not ideal, but it is the only way I know to change days and not break stuff right now.
Yeah, I have the same questionā¦I thought a major point of progression levels was that while threshold power / ramp test result may stay flat, you can still build fitness by increasing intensities and duration in zones of relevance to goals.
First, we donāt have hard info here, but it seems that the drops associated with Ramp Test results / FTP changes are not absolute across all training zones.
Meaning, there is not something as simple as a 1.0 drop across all levels at a point of FTP change.
There seems to be unique changes for each training zone, not one size fits all. Presumably this is linked to the AT data about the rider and whatever magic they use to set those reductions. For all we know, this also takes into account the training phase adjacent to this FPT change. No idea, but I suspect this is all a bit more complex than a simple integer drop across all zones.
So, for those about to test or change FTP, I would record your PLās before and after the change. See the delta between them, and I am guessing it will not be the same change for all.
I feel the general plan is to allocate a lot of attention/resources into clearing up initial confusion or questions after a big release, but beyond that, their energy is probably better spent (in my opinion) outside of the forum to refine AT, create resources, help athletes in other areas.
As for me: I try not to chime in unless thereās a legitimate question or need for clarification on an issue to make sure athletes feel they have space to discuss topics with some agency to decide whatās best for them/their training.
