Well, I’ve definitely been at the point where I’ve spent all day dreading the session I have to do, so I’d be happy enough to never have to do that again. I think right now I’d like to see a bunch more transparency on why it’s making certain decisions relating to my plan, and I’d also like to understand the thinking behind not showing my actual levels when I’ve dropped in one of them.
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I think to some degree you will get answers and in other areas you won’t due to them protecting their IP. I think to make the most out of AT, you kinda have to just relinquish control and do what it says. A lot of people won’t like that or will struggle with it, and i think for them, AT will not be something they want, like or enjoy.
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I think eventually I’d probably stop using the AT aspect, and tweak manually based on the newly visible workout levels.
Basically what I’ve done in the past (tweaking my plan when I start to struggle), but a lot more accurately as I now know exactly how hard each session is supposed to be, rather than trying to calculate based on IF / TSS.
@bnied Is there a regular cadence that you plan to update the list of known issues and number of users with beta access or will it be done on more of an ad hoc basis? Just trying to figure out how routinely I need to be checking back. 
I’ve been using AT for 2 weeks now, and I’m pretty happy with how it has adapted my training. I think a lot of people here don’t like the idea of not being in control so they start tinkering and changing things, instead of trusting the system.
As of now it’s been great.
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We’ll likely update weekly for standard updates, and on an ad hoc basis for any major updates that are released.
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It is fantastic that you’re updating the parent post. That is gold.
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Just to confirm what others have noted, outdoor workouts on Garmin head units do work with AT. This weekend I ignored my 2 scheduled sweetspot workouts. Saturday I went on a “lively” small group ride and did not attempt to link it to a workout.
Sunday I put in an endurance workout in place of the scheduled workout and downloaded the outside version to my Garmin 520+. Despite my best efforts to screw it up by pressing the lap button in all the wrong places, it looks like it recognized and categorized it properly.
Net result (as expected): endurance progression level increased, SS did not. The Saturday ride was way harder, way more fun, and probably way more effective than Sunday, so really looking forward to AT being able to do something with unstructured rides.
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Unfortunately AT has been pretty much useless for me on it’s current form. Almost all of my training has been outside with a wahoo so no levels are adjusting. I’m totally cool with this as I know it’s BETA and not a final product. I also know how to get myself fit, so it’s not like I’m relying on the information.
I’m just giving a little context for folks waiting to get the BETA and possibly in a situation like me, where the majority of their riding is outside with a wahoo.
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That’s unfortunate. It’s a shame that you can’t give your Beta access to someone else until they’ve sorted the Wahoo issue.
Hopefully the Wahoo techs and TR techs will have a solution soon for you.
No, they need people like me for the BETA! I’m a distinct user that will help them with testing/development for a better final product.
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I don’t for a second mean you shouldn’t be in the Beta. Just that you’re not currently testing other aspects of it that maybe someone else might?
With more than 300 people currently in the beta, I think they’ve got a lot of perspectives covered. They are one among many. I’m sure once the Wahoo workouts start working with the beta, @Bones will be a great case study for TR to see how it operates when pulling in such a vast number of outdoor workouts at once. Meanwhile, my experience doing a hybrid style (weekdays indoors, weekend outside) provides a different perspective when the fix is implemented. They need outliers just as much as people who are middle of the road.
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- Indeed.
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Sure, I see where you’re coming from, but I’m a valuable test user for them in terms of bugs, and in particular when they fix the wahoo issue. Im sure once they fix the wahoo issue they will want to see if the rides were recognized correctly (assuming they do a retroactive implementation).
Ive also sent them emails about a couple other things I’ve noted when doing indoor outdoor rides a couple of weeks ago that didn’t look right.
Anyway, the purpose of my post was more geared toward folks really wanting to be on the beta in a similar situation as me, and to just let them know waiting isn’t so bad either if they were looking for a workable product right away.
This is by no means a complaint in any way.
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Awesome to see 200+ more in!
Less awesome - I’m still not one of them!
Envy is increasing…
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I have a V02 workout coming up in my calendar which is labelled ‘not recommended’. I have no pending changes to my training plan. Is this a mistake? Last week I failed to get through a similar workout that had 4 min intervals and this week has 5 min at the same power. Should TR have dialled it down for me or should I manually choose an easier workout?
@bnied Is there also a update about releasing Levels to everyone ?
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Just to update my experience of AT. Been using it for about 2 weeks now.
It is going well and seems to suggest appropriate adaptations. I am on a training plan for an A event in 80 days. I am doing XC Marathon as the speciality. I am currently in SSB LV2. I swapped the days of my SS/Threshold workout and do SS on Tuesdays, VO2 on Fridays and the longer WO on Saturdays.
It has recognised that threshold needs some work so has suggested some achievable threshold workouts such as tioga which gives more confidence than struggling through some of the harder workouts in SSB LV2 that you normally would. It also seems to prioritise the longer Saturday workout as I did a 4.5 VO2 workout last Friday, it has a 5.5 next Friday but then must be looking at my next workout and level of fatigue as it has a 2.9 workout the week after. I am going to trust it and see what happens!
I add in my own endurance workouts on Wednesday and Sunday (45mins to an hour of Z2) and do the Zwift TTT on a Thursday evening so not sure what it takes into account from the endurance workouts.
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How far out is it? If it is more than a week, i wouldn’t be concerned. If it is tomorrow or the day after, I’d email support@trainerroad.com to report it as a bug.
Also, have you checked both the website and the app for changes? Currently I don’t get the adaptations pushed to the mobile app (but they do show on the website) and they believe it is a bug related to another issue that’s been reported.