With how the day is going, we should ALL be in TR jail… Disaster for everyone this weekend 
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Imagine if Beers With Chad was still a thing. Can you imagine how much roadmap we’d all have to talk about? 
I cant… That absolutely cannot happen.
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Maybe not the thread to ask general AT questions, but it’s somewhat related to the recent posts - If I add a long Z2 workout to my calendar and delate the planned Sweet Spot workout originally scheduled, is the result the same as if I had chosen the new workout as an alternate through the app? I just find it easier to filter/find the workout I want to do and swap them out on the main web calendar interface rather than the app interface.
I’d say that the results would be the same: after all you are simply doing workout X rather than workout Y. How you arrived at X shouldn’t matter.
You’ll potentially get different adaptations of course.
I really enjoy using AT, at first I didn’t want to trust the process but as I start using it more it makes more sense to. It has made SSB1 and 2 much better when you’re fatigued during the last week especially. Also the same applies during build or specialty, it will give me some tough but doable workouts if I’m answering my surveys properly. I can’t say how much more of a ftp I have gained but I have become stronger on longer threshold efforts and Supra- threshold efforts while those progression levels increase.
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l started the fall in good faith with SS LV. I ended up failing a workout ( Warlow +1), due to the accumulated stress and fatigue, (3 intense workouts/week when you’re over 60 is too much). Adaptive training just turned down the intensity of threshold workouts. I have no doubt that I could complete that workout if fresh, and that the over all training result would have been more. I have turned off adaptive training and am doing my own self built workouts.
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I think I’m done with AT.
It is now adding 1hr 45min workouts to my mid week when on LV. Threshold workouts over next 3 weeks below my current PL. Wont stop trying to change back my alternates. Had to hack the system to add a recovery week before end of Base II (on the very helpful and quick advice of TR support, they really are top quality)
It just feels too buggy and raw to be a click and forget solution. For me, the minute it isn’t that, I may as well do my own plan and just use the value in PLs to guide me.
The longest midweek workout I’ve been offered is 1hr30mins. The proposed time limit for PB/AT should help in this regard.
I only use alternates when I’m about to start the workout. I will check what would be offered beforehand and decide what I want but don’t choose it until I’m on the trainer.
It seems that those who have least to complain about AT are those who just let it do its thing rather than constantly try to change what’s proposed. Would you constantly change workouts given by a human coach without discussing it with them first?
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That doesn’t seem right unless you levels are near 10? If not hit up support@trainerroad.com
Nope, not even close to 10. But I don’t want to spend my time chatting to support to solves these issues on the regular. Fine if it was in Beta, but it’s not.
I would love to let it do it’s thing, but I have a job and kids so can’t magic an extra 45mins at 5:30am to do the workout AT wants me to do.
How are you responding to the post workout surveys? If you give answers that makes AT think you are finding it easy then things will get ramped up. It’s a sort of second guessing but marking things as “Very Hard” may well lead to subsequent workouts being reigned in. At the moment it’s the only way to slow things down.
I get your frustration but It’s easy dealing with support. It literally takes as long as making a forum post about it.
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Had that happen to me yesterday when I replaced an easy workout of 1 hour to an easy workout of 90 minutes. I don’t think AT should try to adapt back if I have explicitly replaced a workout.
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- I contacted them to report the same issue. They are aware of it and seem like they would like to make a change (specifically agreed with my own frustration). But like any of this, can’t make a promise about if/when it will be changed.
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I’m in disagreement with the frequency of FTP testing for a number of reasons. Primarily, I still doubt the accuracy of the ramp test although I understand the result is in reality just a number by which tailor the workouts. But fitness adaptation is hardly linear and definitely not a one size fits all progression. At my current established FTP, the HIIT workouts are always challenging and mostly doable. I don’t feel I need to re-test until I see the same or like workouts are starting to get “easier”. At that point I feel a new test might be valuable. It really bugs the crap out of me every time one of these FTP tests show up. I seem to be stuck on the same number, although I feel stronger both on the trainer and on the roads with my cycling groups. To me this is a better assessment of my fitness than a short 20 min artificially induced ramp test. And there’s my rant for today.
GYM iPhone
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@Bbt67 I agree but if the responses are causing unintended modifications it’s currently the only way (other than actually swapping out the workouts) a user has to get back on track.
Replacing workouts: it seems like there’s a missing path through the software. AT doesn’t seem to know that the change is intended and sees an “incorrect” workout so replaces it with what it thinks should be there. As I noted above, I’d leave the workout in place until the last minute then swap in the workout you actually want to do. A pain but surely better than you changing a workout a week out only to have AT replace it and you change it again, etc.
Just to share it, here is what I got from TR support on swapping with Alternates well before the planned workout is performed.
We hear you and understand that this is a point of frustration while using Workout Alternates in conjunction with Adaptive Training. Personally, I’ve run into the same behavior a few times and would also like to see this part of Adaptive Training refined.
I’ve shared your message with the team, but to be transparent, our resources for Adaptive Training are currently focused on completing the work that will allow us to analyze unstructured workouts - indoors and outdoors. Therefore, I can’t guarantee that the way Alternates interact with Adaptive Training will be changed just yet, but rest assured, we’re aware of the work that needs to be done here.
As of now, if you don’t want to be badgered with an attempt to undo your swap, it’s likely best to just wait to do the swap until you are actually ready to perform the workout.
As an tweak, If you want to research and figure out which Alternate makes sense, you could find it and just add an annotation to your calendar, with the workout name you like. Skip the swap until you are ready, and you can see the note as your reminder. Sucks to have to use a hack like this, but it’s what I plan to do until they change the programming.
But only have to do the forum post once