That is not expected behavior from what you describe. Please email support@trainerroad.com to review your situation.
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- Ditto. I keep forgetting to submit this to support since I don’t do it often, but it is SUPER annoying if you swap before the workout.
ETA: Here is what I sent to them. I will report back with any feedback from them.
If I use the Alternate option and swap out a workout on my training plan calendar before the workout, TR AT tries to “UNDO” that swap, and persists to do so.
This is annoying and distracting. There should be a recognition of a pending workout and AT should NOT try to alter a workout deliberately swapped by the rider in at least some cases.
I understand if we swap something a week or more out could lead to issues, and it would make sense for AT to consider that after PL changes related to it.
But I do NOT like it trying to swap out the very same workout on the actual day of the same workout. Even if it is a day or two out, unless there is a driving PL change, AT should not try to reverse the swap.
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I’m just going with it for now and accepting all suggested adaptations. Sure I’m putting a lot of trust in the system but presumably TR have put a lot of work into getting this right.
If it ever starts to feel “wrong” I can make my own adjustments. So far it feels like it’s putting my workouts in the right zones.
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I actually came on here to say this was the one bug, after it happening to me yesterday evening for this mornings workout. Although on reflection it did give me a different that the one I’d changed. I went from an hour to 75 mins, and it bounced it back to an hour albeit 3.4 PL v 3.2 PL, so I don’t know whether it was assuming I should be working harder not longer?!
Plan said “3 Sisters -2”, I chose the 75 minute alternate “3 Sisters -1”, and then the next time I logged on I had the pending adaption to “Sill”.
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Yeah, I am sure there are a mix of factors at play. When we make the swap, how different it is in terms of Duration or Intensity, and any changes to PL since the swap are just a few I can imagine.
But in the “simple” sense that I might look at and make a swap in the AM for a workout planned in the PM on the very same day, I should NOT be getting a push from AT to change it back.
Greater time between the swap and eventual workout adds to potential for complications, but we shouldn’t get the instant reversion that seems to be the case from the time’s I’ve done a swap on the same day before the actual workout.
Here is the response to my submission above:
We hear you and understand that this is a point of frustration while using Workout Alternates in conjunction with Adaptive Training. Personally, I’ve run into the same behaviour a few times and would also like to see this part of Adaptive Training refined.
I’ve shared your message with the team, but to be transparent, our resources for Adaptive Training are currently focused on completing the work that will allow us to analyse unstructured workouts - indoors and outdoors. Therefore, I can’t guarantee that the way Alternates interact with Adaptive Training will be changed just yet, but rest assured, we’re aware of the work that needs to be done here.
I might be looking of this wrong, but I think of the workout levels as being at the heart (primary value) of AT. The rest appears pretty “mechanical” and just automating some things I could on my own. Not that I don’t like the automation, but I’m not sure there is anything magical in that stuff. If I struggle with a 5.2 workout, maybe select a 4.9 for the next one. If I crush a 6.3, maybe I should push up to a 7 next time. I’m not sure AT is doing that part any better than I could. I’m just doing my first block with AT, so I may be way off base with that assessment, we shall see as I progress through the plan.
Assessing workouts/efforts and setting the workout levels looks like the meat of the system in my opinion. I would hope they built some tools that looked at the library of workouts to accurately asses the stress and training difficulty. I also hope these tools are(or will be) constantly reassessing those levels as it has more data to fine tune the workout ratings. I would assume that same set of tools is what will ultimately be used to assess the difficulty/training stress of a free-form ride that didn’t originate as a TR workout.
I think this is fair if you are the kind of person who doesn’t mind constantly tinkering with their plan (this includes me). But I assume there’s a lot of other people who just want to fire up TR and get on with whatever workout is prescribed, which this would work well for.
I also think if/when the red light/green light feature Nate mentioned surfaces, that would add a bit more (if you’ve not come across it, it basically looks at what you’ve done recently - inc outside of TR - and decides whether you should do your plan workout or do something else. I guess it would work a bit like how TrainNow picks workouts for you at the moment).
Obviously I can do that now based on feel, but I like a lot of people I don’t like to knock workouts back - tonight I suffered through a progressive SS workout after 300+ TSS in two days (and in about 3.5 hours of riding…) because I wanted to make sure I hit everything in the plan, when probably the sensible choice would have been to dial it back a bit.
I expect there are a whole load more potential applications involving this to come.
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Exactly what I do. I am happy with the progress I am making with ATA and have no good reason to tinker with their recommendations
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Anyone know if you can force or redo the post ride survey? I started a workout today but TR crashed out after 5 mins (i don’t normally, but today I was running it on a very old phone). It saved what I’d done, but I just started again and finished the whole workout the second time, but then at the end I didn’t get the survey.
Open the workout on the TR website. Look to the right, under the graphic and pick the 3-dot symbol, then “Update Survey response” and you should be able to edit and save it.
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Thanks, that did it!
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Very new to AT and TR, liking it so far, and lost loads of time in these forums, loads of information.
I was just wondering if there are any plans to factor in heart rate into AT?
I think it would help the data
HR has been mentioned by Nate, along with potential for other metrics (HRV, sleep data, etc.) if TR can find repeatable results that lead to actionable data. No firm plans shared, but they are under consideration.
Not sure if this has been discussed already/on an FAQ or feature roadmap somewhere:
Has there been discussion of telling AT to ignore certain workouts? Ex. I used “Alternates” to swap my 90 min Sat workout for a 2 hour workout at a similar level. Now AT is freaking out, trying to switch it back. Aside from saying “Don’t adapt my plan” every single time, is there any discussion of a change to say “hey AT, this is fine, I know it’s longer buddy”
There hasn’t been consideration to allow atheltes functionality to disclude activities, we definitely wand Adaptive Training to have the full scope of what you’re doing to make sure the Adaptations and your Progression Levels are as accurate as possible!
Not meaning to undercut Ivy, but… 
- There is an existing Feature request and an official TR response (linked):
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Interesting. I think in general there could be a little bit more consideration of how workout alternates/replace workout operate in conjunction with AT. Right now there’s friction between the two. Thanks so much both of you!!
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Now Im in IvyJail too haha.
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