Help me to understand Garmin connect Training Status

Hi,

I am a little puzzled about fitness information I get from Garmin Connect.

I am following my TR plan which I started after summer. Most of the times I push workouts to Zwift. Sometimes I just do them in TR.

I have master plan with 2 times higher intensity workouts and 2 times endurance.

My workout results are pushed to Garmin connect where I usually check for fitness progresses.

Until end of October the Garmin training status was more or less matching what I was expecting from my plan phase, my perceived stress etc.

At beginning of november I had the typical endurance/recovery week. I think I missed one session during that week because I was sick.

At that point Garmin set my training status to unproductive (which seemed to be ok).

After that (4-5 november) I went back to normal TR training.

As a matter of fact during the last couple of weeks I set new power PRs for my 10, 20 and 30 minutes as part of the workout execution. Garmin even detected Vo2max increase.

Nevertheless my trining status is stuck to unproductive since beginning of november.

Am I doing something wrong? or are all those garmin metrics just BS ?

Thank you.

Cheers

G

When you look at the Training Status Load Focus, what does it tell you is the shortage? That’s the answer. Here’s the thing though, if that shortage is not what you’re focusing on at this point in your training, that recommendation is kind of useless. Example - if you’re in a phase where you’re doing a VO2 block, it doesn’t really matter what Garmin thinks of your High Aerobic or Low Aerobic numbers. Same if you’re doing a block where you’re doing lots and lots of Low Aerobic Base building. You’re trying to build the foundation of your house and Garmin is telling you you need to do more High Aerobic or Anaerobic work to be “Productive”…but that isn’t the focus of your current training phase. So, you kind of have to decide if you want to follow the Garmin guidelines or follow an external training program.

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Load Focus is Balanced.

Training Load is Optimal.

On TR I have just finished the Base phase and started Build Phase.

What happens when you click on the Training Status widget? I’m thinking you might see some sort of summary about what Garmin thinks you need to do to get out of the Unproductive status. And when you then click on the ‘Load’ option in this second screen, what do the little graphs show? Are you in the ‘Optimal’ zone for all three of the Garmin parameters?

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My Training Status seems to be influenced by my VO2max Guestimate. You sometimes dont see it on the VO2max but productive, maintaining and unproductive always coincides with it when you look at the 7days graph.

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It says “Training Status - Unproductive” but “Load Focus - Balanced”? That’s a new one for me,

What does it say below “Training Status - Unproductive”? Usually it will say something like, “Your training load is too focused on low intensity, try mixing in some high aerobic exercise”.

Indeed it’s very strange. It almost seems it’s stuck to unproductive.

Below the info you were asking.

Note that my Vo2max went from 56 to 58 so o don’t get why it says my fitness is going down based on my vo2max

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Ah! Yes, I have seen this one before! It’s saying that your body is not keeping up with the stress you’re incurring. How has your sleep been? Have you raised your training load significantly? Are you dealing with a lot of life stress? It’s basically warning you that it thinks you’re overtraining.

how does Garmin know about my sleeping habits? I do not wear anything at night.

I only share workout results with Garmin.

Moreover, under “Unproductive” it says “Based on your Vo2Max trends” which is increasing for me in the last two weeks

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Hmm. So is all of the data going to Garmin cycling based only? In other words, your running v02 isn’t going down while your cycling one goes up? Are you feeding it HR data? Maybe it thinks your HR has been at a higher percentage for equivalent work? Have you updated your HR zones or weight? (Or has something else updated them?")

Just thinking out loud based on what I know about how they calculate this stuff. I wear a Garmin watch, so it has 24 hour data on me. If you’re just feeding it rides from your head unit, some of what I mentioned above obviously doesn’t apply…

I HATE that they use the word “unproductive”. It’s such a negative word that could mean so many things that are perfectly reasonable in an athlete’s day to day life/training cycle.

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This is what I thought.

But in my case my VO2Max is going up.

I think it looks at HRV too but for me its more VO2max.

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Lot of good hints thanks.

So, I am not sure what my running VO2Max is doing because I don’t run. Only cycling.

My cycling Vo2Max went down to 56 during my endurance/recovery week. Which always happens. As soon as I do Zone 2 workouts my cycling VO2Max goes down one or two points.

During that time I was also slightly sick. I still trained so it might be that my HR was slightly higher for the same type of endurance training.

But this was back at the beginning of November.

Since ~10 days I am back to normal training with two high intensity rides per week and two Zone 2.

during these past 10 days I set new PRs for power. I have increased VO2Max (according to Garmin) but still unproductive (argh!).

It might just be that there is a lag in the recalculation of the status, meaning that the week when I was not feeling well is still affecting my training status…

I agree, terminology is really not the best.

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Yes but for HRV I need to wear a Garmin watch, which I don’t have

What I think I had a few years back was my G’estimated VO2max increasing from indoor rides and solo TTs but Training Status often had unproductive after outdoor group rides. I think there my HR was higher for less power.

As to HRV I’ve only had a watch capable of recording it from January and haven’t really noticed it having an impact on my TS despite the blurb.

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mm…that is a good point.

now that I am thinking about it I did a couple of zwift races.

they were brief (just 30 minutes) but the HR was higher than usual during training with similar power level.

That actually might be the issue…

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IDK, but after many years of what seemed sensible, Garmin Connect has gotten wack sometime around mid Sep. I’m basically ignoring it at this point.

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I’ve been confused about since about 2020

Once Garmin told me that I needed 4 days to recover after my 20 min warmup ride prior to a race. Obviously it didn’t have all the intel to make that recommendation. And I’ve found thats the problem - it doesn’t know when it doesn’t know enough.

For years it estimated my FTP at about 200w (low) no matter what I did. Then after a race in October it estimated my FTP to be over 500 watts! I’m a petite woman :laughing:. That’s 8.3 w/kg!

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